On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 09:48 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > On 16.01.2009 07:34, Panu Matilainen wrote: > >> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >>> seth vidal wrote: > >>> > >>>> Really? Who is making the plans for soft deps. Doesn't seem like it at > >>>> the rpm layer. > >>> Last I checked it was on the rpm.org todo list. Maybe it got dropped. That > >>> would be unfortunate, because I think they could be useful, I've seen > >>> several cases where they would have helped (just one example: Kile (a > >>> LaTeX > >>> editor) can call many tools, most users will want them dragged in, but > >>> some > >>> don't and Kile will still work, with reduced functionality, without them - > >>> just grep for Requires(hint) in packages (mostly those touched by Rex > >>> Dieter) to see more places where we'd like soft dependencies) and Debian > >>> fans keep making fun of us because we don't have them ;-). > >> It hasn't been dropped, only post-poned until we figure out a bunch of > >> details. > > > > I don't want to get tracked into the discussions if "Requires(hint)" and > > other soft deps make sense to support in rpm/yum or not. > > > > But if conditionals really go away in comps it would be really nice for > > external repos like RPM Fusion to have a alternative way to automatically get > > (for example(¹) ) xine-lib-extras-freeworld installed if the users installs > > (or already has installed) xine-lib. > > > > Something like that is afaics needed to make things "just work" (²) -- and > > that's what we all want, isn't it? > > Yup, I remember sorely missing the ability to do this in "former life". > > This is the "enhances" use-case, which is why it typically gets bundled up > with soft-dependencies. Only it's got relatively little to do with the > elasticity of a dependency, this would be a reverse dependency (whether > it's soft or not is another issue), which is a completely new dependency > class and the reason "enhances" is such a platypus. And it means we have to cope with stupidity like: Enhances: glibc which pulls in the pkg for EVERYONE. -sv -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
