> Hello, > > I am leaving fedora (though not EPEL), and since I have been quite > vocal in the last months, I thought it would deserve some explanation. > All that follows is highly subjective, and I don't think it > should lead to much discussion, and since it is very subjective, I > won't give names or facts to prove what I say, these are my feelings. > > My use case is old non desktop stuff, fluxbox, xdm, vim, xterms, > mutt, irssi, firefox, latex/texinfo, xfig, xpdf, numerical models, > openoffice (because I have to). Fedora is unsuitable for me as a user > since quite a long time, too much regressions, lack of interest for > integrating what I use (xdm, no vfs daemon...) too short lived. > But I still used it as a contributor, one of the aim being to help > testing regressions and integrating oldish environment such that > people in my case don't have to go through the workarounds I had to > use in rawhide to have their setup working, while still benefiting > from progress in free software (new hardware support, new > frameworks...), in fedora and in RHEL+EPEL. > > The cost of running rawhide (or a rawhide/stable mix), has always > been high, but it was ok, as the price for testing and being in > touch with latest innovations. However I have clearly seen now, > that the benefits are negligible. Many other maintainers, and > especially many important people in fedora lead don't care about > my use case and my bugs and patches get unanswered for months or > years, the local fixes I have don't get propagated to other users, > or maintainers refuse to support what I want. I don't blame the > maintainers, supporting my use case has a cost, and even if I am > ready to pay a part, it may still be too high for Fedora. > > I also feel that I have become a stranger to the fedora community. > In the past it seems that power users like me, that is people who > like the desktop for others but not for themselves, and like simple > oldish UNIX stuff, were much more present, now it seems to me that > only a tiny (but very vocal...) minority remains. One thing that > really disturbed me was the latest FESCo election, I only voted > for one candidate, who was not elected. People in current FESCo > are nice and capable, indeed, but they don't represent me, and it > was very different in the past. > > In the latest months, I remarked that most of the discussions > I was involved in here turned to flamewars and in the end my > wishes and solutions were always disregarded. Otherwise said I > have become a noise maker, certainly impairing communication > within the fedora project, and making everybody lose time for no > gain. > > Lastly, I think that, on the packaging side, my wishes are > fulfilled since there are now many alternate desktops (or window > managers...) and all the display mananger I know about are > in fedora, and correctly integrated at the packaging level. > I also have all the command-line interfaces I want. Integration > didn't happen though, and I now think that fedora isn't the place > where it can happen. > > I really enjoyed all this time in the Fedora project, and I learned > a lot, too. Last, I wish Fedora to be succesful, I think that Fedora > is very useful for the advance of free software, and I thank the > Fedora users and contributors, and RedHat support. I'm very sorry to hear that, but I understand your reasons. You've been a great help and source of information. Thank you for your contribution. Jon > -- > Pat > > -- > fedora-devel-list mailing list > fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list > -- in your fear, speak only peace in your fear, seek only love -d. bowie -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
