Les Mikesell wrote: > (b) making sleep/hibernate reliable is what laptop users > need instead of booting all the time anyway because it is much faster if > you can simply close the lid and open it later with all your apps > working as you left them. This is actually the strongest argument against spending a lot of resources on going sub 20 seconds. If Vista-style suspend-to-both works reliably, there is no reason to turn a machine off at all. That said, doesn't mean we shouldn't clean up cruft. Hans de Goede wrote: > 2) Load some services after gdm is up, for example cron, anacron, at, > setroubleshootd Please, no setroubleshootd by default. What's the point? Read section "The rest" in my blog post: http://mces.blogspot.com/2008/12/improving-login-time-part-3.html Horst H. von Brand wrote: >> how about not running a full MTA on a laptop/client install... at all? > > That works if you have reliable, continuous access to the 'net. Not my > case, sorry. Don't you have to configure the MTA if you want to use it? I mean, when a normal user configures Thunderbird/Evo/... it puts the SMTP address that their mail provider gave them (smtp.gmail.com, etc), NOT localhost. If you are an advanced-enough user to set it to localhost and configure your MTA to point it to your remote SMTP server, sure you don't mind a "yum install sendmail" first, do you? I always wondered what the point of having a mail server installed and started by default is. The only use I have found for it is to deliver reports to root. But on my typical Fedora installs (that is, anything other than servers), I don't read root mail. The default MTA is simply useless for normal desktop/laptop machine unless you configure it. As such, it should be turned off by default, and hence removed from default install. Not it surprises me that every time I suggest something should be turned off by default, someone shouts "please, no, I use that!"... Matej Cepl wrote: > On 2008-12-16, 16:09 GMT, Peter Robinson wrote: >> Nothing to say you can't re-enable it yourself. I don't have a >> permanent connection to the net but evolution happily holds it in my >> outbox until I go back online and can connect to a network. Fedora can > > I have a nasty surprise for you -- Fedora is not Windows, so it > would is not only for people who use Evolution / Kmail > / Thunderbird. See above. On a similar line of though, how about: "please install and enable httpd, postgresql, and squid" by default because I use them... behdad -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
