On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:20:07 +0100, Ralf wrote: > > > BTW: IMO this raises the next questions: Why don't successful koji > > > builds not automatically land in testing? > > > > A build being successful does not imply that it is ready for release. > > It could still do something wrong [in the .spec, at run-time, ...]. > > Right, but ... > > Automatic pushes to updates-testing would only lead to cases where > > somebody forgets to withdraw a build and also forgets to enter release > > notes. > > Pushing packages to "stable" still requires approval by a human > (normally the maintainer). The problem Fedora has is that updates-testing is not popular enough. It is counter-productive to flood that repo with builds automatically, without somebody raising a green flag and declaring a build as an update. A compromise would be to make this optional via a pkg cvs make target with bodhi-client (see "make update"), but without the need to fill in forms. The update could still be edited inside bodhi web. > => Without this karma crap, this, so far mere bureaucratic step can be > avoided. It's not "karma crap", but some +1 voters have shown more than once that they haven't tested packages painstakingly. The possibility to vote -1 and leave a comment is quite good actually, because this feedback is tied directly to the actual update request. On the contrary, as we know, bugzilla spam overwhelmes the package maintainers. Whenever someone says "Fedora is community-driven" I'd really like to see that it means "update pkg foo passed the testing done by a group of power-users" and not just "Fedora provides a system where a single package maintainer is free to unleash a pkg and burden the community with breakage". Not only do we need to give interested parts of the community the opportunity to contribute testing, we need to request it actively. "You want updates, then help with testing to make sure the stuff remains usable." Let it stay in updates-testing for several weeks, if need be. Six months pass so quickly, the next Fedora will be released soon enough if the community shows no interest in updating the older dist releases. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
