On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 12:21, seth vidal wrote: > > Hmmm Red Hat is f*k'd either way. Maybe it should just get out of the > > business of Open Source.. it seems like too much work to be useful. > > > > It seems like they want out of the business of dealing with anyone who > works on open source software who doesn't work for red hat. > > They release open source software, but not-so-interested in playing with > the other kids. > I think this is mostly a problem with any formalized 'organization'. Lets just say that a long time ago, Red Hat east and Red Hat west would say the same things you say above.. The reality was that both had deadlines, social politics, and other items that made it easier for something to get done if you got 10 seconds of face time than if you sent an email. I have seen the same things at Academic institutions where getting the time/effort of someone in your Astro department is always easier than getting it from Biology. After a while, everyone in Astro knows that Biology is a bunch of lazy losers because you can never get them to do something you need. It is also a personality problem of most people that the perceived amount of time to communicate that something has come up is longer than the actual time to do so. EG it seems easier to try and finish the 100 lines of code that the guy down the hall really needs for his work to be done, than to tell the 20 people who arent inside the building and coming by the cubicle every 10 minutes that you are going to be late or their features have to be dropped. So in the end, people outside of Red Hat feel shitted on, the people inside of Red Hat dont understand why people are always picking on them, and eventually some psycology doctorate gets another paper on the insanity of mankind. > -sv -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen@xxxxxxxx Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- You should consider any operational computer to be a security problem --