Well, I've managed to avoid the selinux problems until the latest updates (4/6/04). Now I have to boot with selinux=0 because of the denials I get: Apr 6 13:58:09 shaka kernel: audit(1081277889.258:0): avc: denied { getattr } for pid=1640 exe=/bin/su path=/dev/pts dev= ino=1 scontext=system_u:system_r:kernel_t tcontext=system_u:object_r:devpts_t tclass=dir So I went to edit the /etc/sysconfig/selinux file to disable selinux...wait, I don't have it. Ok, I have installed shaka: rpm -qa | grep policy policy-sources-1.9.2-12 policycoreutils-1.9.2-1 policy-1.9.2-12 checkpolicy-1.8-1 Who provides the /etc/sysconfig/selinux file? Thanks. -- Brian Millett - Technologist Rex "I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors some with too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?" -- Vir (re: What do you want?), "In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum"