On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:42 AM Kamil Paral <kparal@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 12:31 PM Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:17 AM Kamil Paral <kparal@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > >> > I have installed a fresh F29 system and I was a bit surprised that Vulkan drivers weren't present on that system, I had to manually install them (mesa-vulkan-drivers). Vulkan is getting pretty popular lately, there are certain high-profile games on Linux that use Vulkan *exclusively* (you can't run them on OpenGL), and there are many other games which have Vulkan as an option, which might improve performance. The latest breaking news were Valve enabling Wine-based compatibility layer in Steam, that can be used to run many Windows-only games on Linux, and it's again relying on Vulkan. So Vulkan is definitely getting mainstream. >> > >> > In order to have Fedora Workstation appealing to general users, I believe it should be a good choice for gaming (Christian wrote on his blog about considering including gamemode by default, that also ties into this). >> > >> > Is there any reason why Vulkan drivers are not installed by default in Fedora Workstation? Is that something we can fix for F29? >> >> The maintainers might not feel they're ready or not have the resources >> to support them OOTB. The mesa/Xorg team is pretty active enabling >> things by default they believe are ready. > > > Hey Peter, that's sounds like speculation. I can definitely ask Mesa team whether they feel whether the driver is ready. My question was whether there is a reason why the package is not installed in Workstation by default, and that's decided by Workstation SIG not Mesa team, right? If it's not installed because the driver quality is questionable, sure, that's a good answer. But I'm trying to make sure this is not a simple omission. Vulkan is pretty new and I can imagine no-one simply didn't think about putting in into Workstation comps group yet (hence this email). > It is speculation, and no I would argue it's decided by the HW team that has to maintain the drivers and packages and not Workstation at all, Workstation should be deciding the UX and default apps, not what HW another team may or may not be able to support. If the Workstation team decide to include vulkan and it crashes on a bunch of devices but it wasn't included by the graphics team because they felt it wasn't ready it's no fair on that team because suddenly one team had affected another team without consultation. _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
