On 11/07/2015 07:53 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:23 AM, kendell clark <coffeekingms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On 11/07/2015 02:00 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:55 AM, kendell clark <coffeekingms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> I don't own a mac myself, but I'm writing here in case other people do. >>>> I'm a co developer of the sonar distribution, which is basically manjaro >>>> with speech. When I downloaded fedora 23 this morning which I also use, >>>> I noticed that it has on the USB drive an hfsplus partition with what >>>> looks like a dummy copy of the mock kernel binary to trick apples into >>>> thinking they're booting a copy of osx. Is there any way I can get a >>>> hold of the source, or instructions on how to add this to sonar? I've >>>> been going around and around in circles trying to help various people >>>> with their macs and the mac isn't booting sonar. It's refusing to even >>>> try and I know fedora works on a mac because I've used it. Sorry if this >>>> is a little OT for this list but I didn't know where else to post this. >>> >>> >>> Some of this is in the mactel-boot package, source is in koji, and also here: >>> http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/mactel-boot/ >>> >>> And then there's various logical bits in Anaconda to create the HFS+ >>> volume, and get things installed there. >>> >>> Some of this is documented on Matthew Garrett's blog, you'll have to >>> search around: >>> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/7468.html >>> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12037.html >>> >>> One thing that's also unique to Fedora is the boot media. All of >>> Fedora's x86_64 boot media will boot BIOS, UEFI, and Macs. And that >>> too is non-trivial. >>> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html > > >> hi >> Wow, this is ugly. I'm not sure I'm capable of putting anything like >> this together. Guess this goes into the "miscellaneous and unsolvable >> mac bugs" category. Which is less than ideal, because the apple users >> I've tried to help are not known for their patience, while I don't like >> going around in circles. Looks like I'll be recommending fedora >> exclusively for mac users if sonar won't boot >> Thanks >> Kendell clark > > Well, if only there were flawless standards and specs, and if only > everyone always exactly followed them, and if there were no bugs. > > Apple's way of booting predates EFI, which predates UEFI. And while > some things have changed behind the scenes, for the most part it's the > same implementation, with the same UI/UX facing the user for something > like 20+ years, across hundreds of Mac models. > > So the biggest criticism I have isn't really the firmware bugs and > non-standardization, because everyone falls into those traps it seems, > but the fact it's not thoroughly documented anywhere. mgj59 had to > first carve sticks, which were in turn used to poke various Macs, to > discover a lot of these behaviors. > "I'm sorry. I wasn't criticizing mjg59's work, but rather the amount of work that's needed just to make an apple computer boot linux. If they'd simply followed the standards it would've worked. Granted they had to use something before uefi, but if they'd simply changed to uefi once this became available this wouldn't be necessary. But apple being apple, guess you can't really expect that. Thanks Kendell clark" > -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
