----- Original Message ----- > From: "Owen Taylor" <otaylor@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop" <desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 10:06:56 AM > Subject: Re: Workstation branding on login screen (GDM) > > On Sat, 2014-10-18 at 11:37 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:21:27PM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > I wonder if a collaboration between the Fedora and GNOME designers might > > > find room for a downstream logo somewhere, as was the case for the login > > > screen when we tried to remove the logo there. I suspect not in this > > > case, but it doesn't hurt to try. > > > > Yes, that's absolutely what we need — thanks. > > This thread seems to have reached the limits of productivity, but I do > not want to leave it with a false sense that we can just ask the > designers working on GNOME to specify in which prominent and always > visible position to put the Fedora logo and that will solve thing... so > I wanted to summarize a few things that likely have come up earlier in > the thread: > > It was a deliberate choice - part of the GNOME brand identity - that the > top panel *does not* include a logo. Two of the key design ideas of > GNOME 3 are that elements visible at all times are minimized, and that > everything outside of the application - that is not the content that the > user is working on, is kept monochrome and dark. Beyond violating those > principles, putting a logo next to Activities - which is honestly the > only place that makes any sense - has the problem that it looks a > separate control, confusing the user and making access to the Activities > overview a precision pointing activity instead of the intended > ultra-easy corner-of-the-screen access. > > We can obviously ignore all of this and put a logo onto the top bar > anyways case, but it's an unfriendly action towards GNOME on the part of > Fedora. And is especially problematical because Fedora *is* seen as very > closely associated with GNOME, and at that point it becomes nearly > impossible to convince any other distro not to put their logos there as > well. I think calling it an unfriendly action towards GNOME is overstating it. Fedora is a separate thing and is not beholden to any of its upstream communities, including GNOME. We try to align as much as possible with our upstreams because it makes sense, not because having our own ideas is by definition hostile towards someone else. To me this is almost the same argument that people make about shipping various desktops, that somehow not shipping desktop XYZ is somehow 'hostile' towards said desktop. It is not, regardless of discussing branding of the desktop we ship or which desktop to ship, our choice is about what is right for us given our requirements and resources, not about trying to 'hurt' someone else. So my suggestion at this point is that we give Mo and Ryan a chance to finish their writeup and proposal, and also help us establish a resolution path for these kind of branding and design related issues. We could of course just make it part of the workstation working group meeting, but I feel that this is a good chance to take advantage that we have a lot of design specialists in our community and use their expertise to make the right decisions here. Christian -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
