On Tue, 2014-09-09 at 18:32 +0300, Elad Alfassa wrote: > I completely disagree with that. We do a lot of integration work, and > the default set did change a lot, for example the firewall allowing > incoming connections to high ports out of the box and there's much > less useless stuff installed by default. Less useless stuff installed by default? I can't think of anything major that's been dropped besides firewall-config? In fact we seem to have picked up openjdk8 policy editor; that's got to go. I know we've ADDED a few apps that were not in F20, like Image Viewer and Boxes, but I'm having a hard time thinking of what's been removed? Anyway, F20 shipped with mostly core GNOME apps, F21 will ship with mostly core GNOME apps... there hasn't been any revolution here. > We also install git by > default, for example, which we didn't do before. > > Overall Fedora 21 comes almost ready for developers to use out of the > box. OK, git is new. devassistant is new. I think we have man-pages now as well? If so, that's great. > What you're saying effectively tries to diminish all the hard work > we've done this cycle, and I don't like this at all. Well I'm not saying I don't like the changes. I think you're doing a good job with the default package set. I just think "much more polished and targeted product than what you seen before from the Fedora community" is a big exaggeration. (But that's how marketing's supposed to work, right?) F20 was pretty good, too; the firewall and gnome-software were the big warts, and those would have been fixed regardless of whether we call this release Fedora Desktop or Fedora Workstation. Michael
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