Hi, ----- Original Message ----- > Well, it's less Fedora-y in that we used to have this kind of > conception > where there were desktop environments, controlled by the desktop > team. Fedora desktop team has only ever controlled the desktop spin, which uses GNOME. Other SIGs have controlled other desktops since there have been spins. > Then the login manager, system config tools, and probably some other > stuff I'm not thinking of were controlled more or less by the > distribution. what do you mean by "the distribution" ? We all work on the distribution right? > GDM did stuff like setting language and keyboard > layout, > and wasn't really considered a part of the GNOME stuff (I don't > think). GDM has always been a part of the gnome ecosystem. that's what the G in GDM stands for. > It was expected that you could just swap out DMs (like skvidal thinks > is > still the case) and everything else should just deal with it. So now, gnome-shell does sort of require GDM to have full functionality, and GDM does require gnome-shell to have full functionality. That's definitely an example of integration that didn't used to exist that does now. I don't see why that integration makes Fedora less Fedora-y though. > The > system-config-* tools were part of Fedora and used across all > desktops - > it didn't matter what desktop you ran, you used > system-config-keyboard > and system-config-display and so on. It's true, we've tried to get rid of the need for the system-config-tools. In some cases we've made them completely unnecessary (thanks ajax, thanks dcbw, etc). I think make things like those more integrated doesn't make Fedora less Fedora-y though. I think it just makes Fedora more cohesive. > I think other desktops still think of things somewhat in those terms, > but GNOME definitely doesn't: GNOME wants its own stack, almost top > to bottom. Not sure about GNOME, but I can speak for myself as a gnomie and long time fedora desktop member. I want users to have a top-to-bottom integrated experience. But I think if you asked anyone working on fedora if in general they want the user to have the opposite of a smooth integrated experience, they would say of course not. So it's really a matter of the specifics of how to get there, I guess. --Ray -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
