--- "giallu@xxxxxxxxx" <giallu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Adam Williamson > <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > one of the common themes of the F14 review cycle > was ridiculing the lack > > of an office suite on the desktop image, > particularly given the presence > > of 'useless' things like planner (I'm paraphrasing > from the reviews, not > > giving my own personal opinion). I know we have > good arguments against > > including an office suite, and I suspect planner > is just in there as a > > hangover from when we tried to include GNOME > Office, but there does seem > > to be a consistent impression in reviews that the > current package choice > > seems bizarre. > > Weren't those reasons related to lack of space in > the LiveCD? > > Ubuntu always had openoffice on their live, but I > was told they could > do it because they did not use our very same > upstream (go-oo inteast > ooo, again IIRC) and their upstream made it easier > to split the suite > into finer packaging. > > Maybe the whole story is bogus, but having Writer > and/or Impress > and/or Calc is a must to stand well in reviews, IMHO Ridiculing Fedora for not having an office suite on the LiveCD is still a pretty consistent theme, and it is a logical one -- most non-technical users aren't going to run, say, a disc burner from the disk drive their live CD is inserted into, but they certainly are going to web browse and try to write documents or open spreadsheets... It is difficult enough to showcase Fedora with the stock LiveCD that I've taken to putting custom live USB distros together instead of worrying with the LiveCD at all. IMHO we could do better by surveying most common-use applications across *all* Linux LiveCD distros and pushing our package selection in whatever direction that leads. Either that, or have a "Common Use" showcase LiveCD spin and an alternate "Vanilla" LiveCD based on whatever we're doing now. If Vanilla winds up becoming an edge-case download we could scrap it in favor of the "Common Use" spin later. LiveCDs are really best as showcase pieces and its hard to pitch a showcase when you can't demonstrate office suite interoperability. To the average non-gamer a computer is defined by how well it fills the role of linear replacement for: 1- mail boxes, 2- FAX machines, 3- typewriters and 4- filing cabinets (and 5- media centers...). We miss out a lot by not capitalizing on that trend. The experienced Fedora user has the capacity to expand a system to meet his needs from a mini install via yum alone. My mother, on the other hand, is blown away at the fact that useful software can be installed from the net from within the GUI. Her shock is based on the premise that this can't happen -- an idea reinforced by years of enforced Windows use at work. That indicates the average non-technical user doesn't realize OpenOffice is an option if its not in the LiveCD. That is a powerful argument for inclusion of OpenOffice. Of course, all of this is assuming that we're concerned with competing with Ubuntu... Sorry for the long-winded post. -------------------------------------- Get the new Internet Explorer 8 optimized for Yahoo! JAPAN http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/ie8/ -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
