Am Donnerstag, den 22.04.2010, 07:47 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen: > On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 11:27 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > > > During the whole discussion about the update process we > > learned that this is one of the main reasons why many people prefer > > Fedora over other distributions. > > I think the one thing we learned is that Kevin can write more emails and > shout louder than anybody else. I challenge you to find a single Fedora > user who only uses Fedora because it can produce more untested updates > than any other distribution. Updates and testing are two completely different things. Please don't mix problems that are not related. I agree with you that we need better testing but I don't necessarily agree to the statement that we need less updates. I do know users *and* package maintainers, who use Fedora mainly because they get new versions of a package in a timely manner instead of just bugfixes. We have already lost some valuable contributors lately and I don't want to see more people leave. > > Sorry, but to me this attitude sounds arrogant. People "just doing > > something" - especially GNOME people - is not how community works and > > often is the source of a very unpleasant update experience. > > Sure, doing something works by gathering a rough consensus between the > major parties and then start doing something. Waiting for the great > world-spanning consensus of everybody is a recipe for endless flamewars > and doing nothing. Not sure if I agree to that. I agree you cannot make everybody happy but if "small parties" includes the users/maintainers of KDE, Xfce and LXDE, then I'd say we need to at least try to get them involved instead of deciding for them. > > Think of the recent hal update that broke every desktop but GNOME in > > F13. It was not announced (at least not for F13) and it was pushed > > after the beta freeze only for the GNOME people to finish their hal > > removal feature. Is this your idea of just doing "great things"? > > I'm pretty sure we can find one or two broken update that you have > pushed in the past as well. Do you really think we should sink to that > level of discussion ? I have no intentions to sink the level of discussion, but I'm optimistic that you wont be able to find an update I did after beta freeze without previous notice to the maintainers of packages I broke (if any). If you are concerned about the level of discussion, please don't mix two different issues like updates and QA. Regards, Christoph -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
