Hi, 2010/4/23 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg@xxxxx>: > On 04/23/2010 10:45 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: >> On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:33 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> >>> Is it possible for each SIG/yum group to have full control on it's own >>> update policy which they can adjust to their target audience instead of >>> trying to provide a solution that might not fit everybody? >>> >>> >> These kinds of split setups don't really work, because dependencies will >> make a big mess out of it and cause you to get most of the update flood >> after a while, even if you only want security updates. >> >> > > Then that's a technical problem that needs to be solved first if > consensus is going to be reach within the whole community and this be > discussed on only one SIG mailing list. > > If that's not possible then Rel-Eng should sit down with representatives > from all SIG's and QA where the update policy is decide for the whole > community then the result of that or those meetings will be posted and > the community informed that what's going to be put for trial and > adjusted as needed. Or maybe its just that spins as they are defined now aren't such a good idea. They don't really have the flexibility to define and design their own experience. The difference between GNOME and KDE for example, to the user, is nearly as great as the difference between Windows and OS X. Spins are each different operating systems with diverging not converging experiences and goals. We have a development architecture that forces agreement or artificial commonality between very different things and it is no surprise that we have a lot of conflict. See http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2010/02/20/spins-suck/ : Chrisoph Wickert "spins suck" Kevin Kofler "Let’s fight together against GNOME-centricism in Fedora!" Good times! Look, creating a compelling operating is real fucking hard. No, seriously, really really super fucking really hard. If we devote all of our energy and time into creating one operating system we probably can't even pull it off. But we certainly can't pull it off if we have 4 different operating systems stepping on each other toes, getting in each other grill, sucker punching, and begrudging. No way. Honestly, even if we manage to widen our community (remember Fedora is just one small part of the larger open source community, folks) to include other projects with similar goals and all work on one thing we'll have a really difficult struggle on our hands. But the good kind of struggle - creative struggle - not the destructive struggle we currently have in Fedora. Like Kevin, I want to fight too. But unlike Kevin, I want to fight to create something monumental - a tribute to open source. Something that can demonstrate to the world that we can. The other kind of fighting - is mud. And the rest of the world understandably walks right past it. But this is all way off topic for this thread. Jon -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
