Hey, On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Bill Nottingham<notting@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Matthias Clasen (mclasen@xxxxxxxxxx) said: >> Hey all, >> >> we've been discussing the idea of changing the default GTK+/Metacity >> theme in F12. Nodoka has been the default for a while, and it seems to >> undergo a major rework now ( http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ ). >> >> We don't want to do a radical visual change, though. The idea is to go >> back to the upstream default, Clearlooks. > > Well, that would still be a visual change. Given that he's restarting > nodoka from scratch, that would leave the options as being either: > - go to clearlooks > - stay with the old nodoka version For now we want to stay with upstream Clearlooks. There are a few reasons for this. Roughly: * Goals I don't agree with the stated goal of the Nodoka theme to make something that looks uniquely Fedora which also includes an icon theme. A better goal is to look good and be well integrated with the platform we are building upstream in GNOME. * Alignment We have a number of pretty major and interesting things going on in GNOME that will appear before, during, or shortly after the F12 cycle. Some of these are client side decorations, a new theme drawing library, new high resolution icons, and GNOME Shell. Any and all of which really change what we want from a theme. We want to be working very closely with the upstream design, art, and theme community in order to keep the design and development loop as efficient as possible. For now, it seems that the consensus opinion in the upstream community is that clearlooks is the best engine on which to base further work. * Experience This one is going to be somewhat subjective and prone to a whole lot of bikeshedding. I don't think Nodoka is where we want to be. I'm not sure it is all that helpful to go down a list of things that don't look right. Especially since there are things that we'd also like to change in Clearlooks. But I think Clearlooks is currently closer to what we want and probably a better base on which to work. > Also, would we be changing the icon set? The current default is Mist, right? Can someone describe for me the exact differences between Mist and GNOME? Seems to me that they are similar. Looks like the folder icons are blue in Mist and tan in GNOME. Given that the theme "selected" color changes the window decorations and controls (not to mention the wallpaper) I'm not sure I like choosing a non-neutral color for the folder icons. Other than that what is different? With the recent changes in GNOME to limit the number of icons used in menus and buttons this is less important than it would be otherwise. However, there are a number of key areas where icons are still very important. We'll also want to keep an eye on both the high resolution icons stuff and the moblin icon theme. Jon -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list
