On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 15:29 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > My guess is that having priv-sep, passwords, etc are all security > theatre for the desktop user in this case. I mean if application X > can't work without me being root then why not be root? If having a > password slows me down from getting stuff done, why not remove it. For > this level.. why are we doing anything beyond Windows 98 which seems > to be the perfect desktop platform. Don't be silly. We want Fedora to be secure by default. Period. If your intention really is to run a DAV server at the next Blackhat conference (where e.g. it will be attacked like crazy), we can confine the used http process to only read from ~/Public. Thus, even if a malicious attacker can run code in the httpd process on your box he can only read ~/Public. He might as well not have bothered then because he could get that content via DAV. Here's the point. A classic firewall that prevents me from sharing files via DAV doesn't really add anything if I really want to share files via DAV. If my OS vendor wants to prevent me from doing that I might as well find another OS vendor. Maybe one that actually spends energy on fixing the root problem (making services secure) instead of papering over the problem (by adding pointless firewalls). Ironically enough Red Hat spends a lot on resources thinking about problems like these and developing technologies like SELinux (for confining processes) and D-Bus (for privilege seperation) to make our software secure. It's too bad we're not doing a good job of actually applying this in products like Fedora. David -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list