On 14.09.2007 18:36, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On 9/14/07, Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> (¹) -- No, I'm don't have a problem with calling a decision of mine >> "totally stupid" (I sometimes do myself). But I think it's not helpful >> when done in public. >> IOW: This IMHO is just another occurrence that confirms by impression >> that "the tone on the fedora lists IMHO gets worse and worse" (²) -- >> that's IMHO bad as it might be deterring to new developers or lurkers on >> the list that might fear hard words more then we do. > I think i this case we can put the blame completely on Jeremy. So its > perfectly fair to say that Jeremy was totally stupid.... and you were > just an innocent victim of his masterful power of persuasion. It wasn't his decision alon and I backed the idea ;-) When I handed over the package to someone else I even said explicit: don't remove that stuff! But as I said: I can live with being called "totally stupid" -- I'm around long enough and got used to it. > [...] >> /me always wonders if people on a party or a conference would go to the >> podium and say "foo is totally stupid" if the chance that the one that >> is responsible for "foo" is in the auditorium > Actually a statement like that to open up a conference presentation is > a great way to have the audience pay attention. [...] Hehe, yeah, I suppose it would. > I think people on the lists communicate by and large exactly how they > would communicate in any established small working group settings... > say for example the 4th lab group assignment in a college course. Not > the first assignment, at the beginning of the class when people don't > really know each other yet. But the fourth assignment, after the group > members have pretty much gained an intuitive feel for the personality > quirks of the rest of the group. Except on the lists, you're > interacting with people you haven't actually had enough face-to-face > time with to get an accurate intuitive feel for them so its much > easier to cross the line from passionated impersonal discussion into > personal offense without ever knowing you crossed it. Fully agreed. I'd even would like to add something: In this "college course" (aka this list) there are constantly new people watching from the side if they should join the never-ending-course. And that's what we want IMHO: join us, help us. But if you would look for a area to jum in and watch a course where people are rude or unfriendly to each other without need: would you join it or look out for another (friendlier) course? Cu knurd -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list
