Rahul Sundaram wrote:
David Nielsen wrote:
Before they do (and I have
no doubt that they will eventually but it might take years) this is
still a perfectly valid concern, especially since all but one of those
apps are in our default desktop.
It is a valid concern, yes but forcing one theme style is not the way to
move ahead. It is very important that themes should be easily
replaceable all across the desktop environment and applications. If not,
thats a bug and should not used as a argument to adopt one theme.
+1
I fully support the naming effort but it's not there yet so we need to
be careful, we should also leverage the great work that has already
been done by some of the FLOSS communitys finest artists, not to
mention the large team they have already built to work on the Tango
project.
If the Fedora art team wants to move ahead and adopt a different style,
they should be encouraged and allowed to do that.
This was a big point brought up at the GNOME Boston Summit a few weeks
ago, and Andy Fitzsimon brought a really interesting idea to the table:
http://live.gnome.org/AwesomeArtShit
('SVG Crack' section)
Take a look at the monitor variations on the right. Same SVG, graphics
generated by applying different CSS to the SVG.
Basically we could use the Tango SVGs as an 'upstream' and using
stylesheets apply different transformations to the Tango SVGs to create
whichever look we like. In cases where we want to change the icon
entirely (e.g. for the Trash icon) we can override it in the icon theme.
Andy I'm sure can explain more of the technical details behind this. But
I feel this is a better use of time and resources - developing a look
via stylesheet applied to upstream icons - rather than starting from
scratch. We'll still be able to have a distinct visual identity for
Fedora, we'll still be able to override particular icons from upstream
if we feel the need, but! We'll *also* be able to join in the upstream
Tango effort and add our resources to the already pretty large pool of
talent in the Tango team and help upstream as well as get we would like
done as well. The Fedora art folks can join the wider FOSS art community
and learn from and interact with many of the seasoned pros there.
Unfortunately, this would mean some manual grunt work in arranging the
already-existing Tango icons, some minor modifications to Inkscape to
make it easier to make these mods (I think probably the equivalent
would be adding classes to html elements to apply a stylesheet.)
Overall though I think it's an awesome idea, it solves a lot of
problems, it's do-able, and it's very innovative and cool! There is a
lot of power in SVG we haven't taken advantage of yet and this would be
a great way for Fedora to lead the way!
~m
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