> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:09 -0400 > From: David Malcolm <dmalcolm@xxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home > Directory > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > <fedora-desktop-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <1092243010.29641.20.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 00:57 +1000, Stewart Smith wrote: > > a bit like what OSX has, i've been thinking that a set of default > > folders (with some cool icons) could help users a bit. > > I do something like this on my own folders at home, using emblems. > > I broadly like your idea (with some caveats concerning Evolution, see > below), though in the blue-sky future perhaps we'll all be using Storage > to organise our stuff, rather than this 20th century directory-based > technology :-) > (see http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/ ) > Woow! Is this in for gnome 3 or something? It would certainly require a tour, but HOLY ****! Gnome starts to look better than looking glass (any chance of this being shipped with fc3?) Usefull to. And the evo integration looks nice :p > > > I've put this up at : > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=129564 > > > > simply so it's kinda 1/2 officially tracked, and in the future, people > > with the same idea can (easily) find some track of discussion.... > > > > I propose adding the following to the /etc/skel for new users, with > > funky icons on the folders to help increasing the clarity of where > > things are and some hints on helping them organise things. > > > > Note that with the introduction of things like ~/Contacts/, ~/Mail/ > > and ~/Settings, this gives the user a clear picture of where things > > are, and what things are important to back up (if they so choose). > > > > Some users may just see their mail as important, and not care about > > contacts or music. Others may see Contacts, Mail, Settings and > > Documents as important and can just (easily! with nautilus-cd-burner) > > write these to CD for backup. > > > > ~/Contacts - where evolution stores contacts, with human-readable file > > names (e.g. "Firstname Lastname.vcf" or something). > > Currently Evolution 1.5.* stores its data (contacts, calendar, email > etc) below the ~/.evolution directory and in GConf, and makes various > assumptions about the layout of the ~/.evolution directory. Evolution > could be changed to follow this proposal for "local contacts" (as > opposed to contacts found on e.g. a shared corporate LDAP database), but > it'd be non-trivial. > What? How do i transfer my mail that is currently in my evo folder? I dont want to loose it! Only thing kept in .evolution before was passwords and mailservers etc... And there is another thing: Saving local mail in a non-hidden folder make shure its not deleted when somebody runs "rm -rf .*" in your homedir - such as I did to my users when upgrading from rh9 to fc1 and fc1 to fc2. I think bookmarks also should be saved that way. > A better way of accessing the contact information might be to use > evolution-data-server API; this should handle nasty details such as file > locking for you. > > If what you're really looking for is a sane way for home users to backup > this data, I think a specialised tool could be written that knows about > the various kinds of data that are stored on your computer > (configuration settings, contents of home directory etc) and can display > them in a good UI, tell you how big the backup is going to be etc, and > maybe create ISO files ready to be burned to CD for you. > > > ~/Desktop - same as it is now, the contents of the users desktop. > > ~/Documents - a suggested location for documents (and the default save > > location for applications such as OpenOffice) > > ~/Mail - where Evolution stores it's mail. > > Again, Evolution makes all kinds of assumptions about the layout of its > mail directory; it's not something I'd want to expose to end users. > Thankfully with Evo 1.5.* this is now in ~/.evolution, rather than > ~/evolution as it used to be before, so it's not quite as in-your-face > as before. > > > ~/Movies - for the kick-ass iMovie type thing that we so need. > > Yes please! > > > ~/Music - Music Player's place to put music! > Looks like the storage guys liked divX... > Good idea IMHO > > > ~/Photos - Gthumb's place to go, and the digital camera tool! > > Also a good idea IMHO > > > ~/Web Pages - ==public_html (and shared by apache, if installed). > > Nice idea. Though you'd have to have some extra control panel applets > to do things like turning apache on/off etc and punch through the > firewall, or people could get confused. > > > > > I have no real expectation taht this will make Core3 in any complete > > way, but is a good talking point and UI suggestion. This will make it > > easier for users. Another point: Webbrowsing. Today FC uses moz - which has a nice engine etc. But Epiphany is still better integrated with Gnome (and no difference when talking HTML engine): Why not use this as the standard web-browser instead? Only prob. as far as i can see, is that neither moz or epiphany has a user-friendly way to select which printer you want to use. Whic is... BAD! -- Fedora-desktop-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list
