On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 6:32 AM, <buergermeister@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi, > > Well time for me to answer this. There are two reasons why there isnt a > Supplemental Wallpaper for F27. First Mo already mentioned, I did live for > several months just with net from the phone. So actually for the F26 > Supplemental Wallpaper I save the traffic of one week to use it just for the > download of the submissions for the legal tests. So on the end half the > months traffic just for it. And I could not afford to top up more for it. > > Well, my net problems are right now solved as I have a landline, which is > stable to use. > > Its not funny for me to read in some tickets comments from people, doing > this job is just hitting a button. Its not, its heavily time consuming. I > spent each release around 400 working hours for it. Most of the time is > spent with the legal checks, which has to be done manually and that means > down- and upload the submissions, oh yeah the engines like tineye have an > API but unfortuantely no such service is free of charge. So you have to do > it manually. Same is for the awarding of the badges, except the voting one, > they are done manually. So more work. > > So looking back to the what did happen around the wallpaper of F26 and > accusations made by a person not just here in the design team as well in > public meetings which did lead to a council ticket where I was insulted > again as the person was not enforced to give an excuse for his accusations > as more I was punished by advised to stay away from IRC for a while. So with > other words, they council did tell me that way his accusations are right. > > With such insultations I did feel not very motivated to run the wallpaper > for F27 again, especially the cycle was very short, have a look > https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-27/f-27-design-tasks.html > > The point is the process starts before the version before it gets released, > with going through the dates and setting them up in Nuancier. Its not just > simple say, oh thats the date and this not. For making it successful there > is a minimal running time for it, some folks need some time to recognize it. > So submission phases under 6 weeks make no sense, same for the voting. We > tried on the begin to make the period short just a week but a lot of people > complained about it, so you need at least 2 weeks for it. In addition you > have to give Luya some time for packaging them. So far he does a very good > job and finishes the package very fast, but at least a week you have to give > him to. > > So it was quiet short to do this time. > > And it looks, it will be standard for the future to have shorter cycles, > that might be fine on the "technical" side but for things like this its > contra-productive. Currently I thinking on a way how to do it in a different > way, so that we still can have it. My current idea is to run it just yearly > for several releases, but there will be some changes for Nuancier needed > again. Thanks gnokii for the frank explanation of the situation. As you have pointed to scheduling as one of the reason for not having the F27 supplemental wallpapers, may I ask you please, to come up with your proposal what the scheduling should look like ? How much time you need for each phase of the process and when, relative to branching or Beta release, these phases needs to be in time ? It helps me to do a better job the next time, if possible. Jan > So that just to give some information. > > For the link, yes its nearly the actual process just some minor things are > missing, like make the badges tickets, which have to be created before, but > its pretty much it. > > br gnokii > > > Am 24.10.2017 um 05:19 schrieb charles profitt: > > On Mon, 2017-10-23 at 08:04 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > > Hi Charles! > > On 10/22/2017 03:07 PM, charles profitt wrote: > > I noticed that there has not been a call for supplemental > wallpapers > for F27. I did not know if this was by design or due to no one > being > available to take care of the process. > > If it is the latter, I would be willing to take on the process if > someone is able to teach me what is required. > > Traditionally, gnokii runs this process but he has poor internet as > of late making it rather challenging. > > It's too late for F27, but if you'd like to manage the process for > F28, you are more than welcome. > > I am sure gnokii has a lot of advice & guidance - we do have a HOWTO > on managing the process, but I don't know if it's up-to-date with > gnokii's > method: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_manage_the_supplemental_wallpape > r_process > > Cheers, > ~m > > I will take a look at the process. In the next few days. I will reach > out to gnokii if I have any questions. I was most nervous about how to > setup nuancier to accept submissions and then not sure how the winners > were packaged. I have zero packaging experience. > > Thanks for the link. > > Charles > > > > _______________________________________________ > design-team mailing list -- design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to design-team-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > _______________________________________________ > design-team mailing list -- design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to design-team-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > -- Jan Kuřík Platform & Fedora Program Manager Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list -- design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to design-team-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
