Hi Kirk! I'm really happy to see you around here again :)
On 2012-06-20 11:03, Kirk Bridger wrote:
I'm not an expert user but I don't think I'm novice either. I don't
see why we need to HIDE the older versions behind another menu, just
perhaps make it more clear that the old versions are still functional
but are not the latest on the machine.
Martin made a pretty compelling case as to why putting all the kernel
versions in the main menu is a bad idea.
Novice users have the "out" of saying "I don't know what this all
means but I know I want to launch the most current version". And if
they're dropped back here after a failure or two trying the current
version they can try the older versions.
If novice users are dropped back to the bootloader after a crash, they
can go to the submenu labeled 'Troubleshooting' where (it at least was
intended, I don't remember how it actually went out) older kernels are
available. We definitely have to revisit this for F18 and kudos to Elad
for bringing it up.
This all assumes that we're limited to the current console-style
menu. If we can use HTML/CSS or some other layout and styling we can
make this info much more parse-able with styling and different font
sizes/layout. If we can do more than just console can someone send a
screenshot of what we can do, and maybe we can mock something up?
We are very limited in the bootloader environment. We're not in a full
OS, don't have full access to the GFX card or any of the niceities of a
full desktop environment. I don't know if it's possible to write
something that would operate off of HTML and CSS but that is certainly
less-than-trivial.
This is the theme I wrote up for F17 that was dropped at the last
minute because of QA concerns:
http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2012/05/09/grub-2-theme-for-fedora-17/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Welcome to Fedora 17 (BeefyMiracle)
CURRENT VERSIONS
Fedora 17 (kernel-3.6.0-1.fc17)
Superceded Versions
Fedora 17 (kernel-3.5.20-3.fc17)
Fedora 17 (kernel-3.5.20-2.fc17)
Fedora 16 (kernel-3.2.10-4.fc16)
OTHER OPERATING SYSTEMS
Microsoft Windows 7
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Happy to hear thoughts on this approach.
Maybe if the user installs a new kernel, the first time they reboot,
only the new kernel and the last known working kernel are shown, all
older ones archived behind a submenu.
The issue I have with the above mockup, which looks nice in the case
for which you designed it, is that Fedora overwhelms the menu and for a
user who is playing with Fedora on the side and who has to use Windows
or OS X as their primary OS (e.g., for work it's a requirement), it's a
bit of a real estate hog.
~m
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