I think this is pretty easy, If GNOME 3.0 wallpaper must be there by default, we could add in a new feature during bootup or just before a users first login asking the user to choose between Fedora's Default Wallpaper & GNOME 3.0 Default wallpaper. Here the user is King. Lets not forget that GNOME's come a long way & we have some of our very own working with them. Fedora has always been a platform for true open source applications. Lets carry GNOME 3.0 along even though we could make provisions for UNITY or even google chrome much later. 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Re: GNOME background in Fedora 15 (Jaroslav Reznik) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 03:09:14 +0100 > From: Onyeibo Oku <twohotis@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15 > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <4D0D694A.7020109@xxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 12/19/2010 03:02 AM, Jim Campbell wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> 2010/12/18 M?ir?n Duffy <duffy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> <mailto:duffy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> >> >> On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 02:16 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: >> > No, no, you misunderstood. I don't imply we should ship to gnome >> spins. >> > We should either ship in F15 gnome as pristine as possible or >> just do it >> > they way we do it usually. Neither of these should of course >> affect >> > other spins and IMHO also not DVD install. >> >> Why? Again, you are proposing this all or nothing thinking and I >> completely do not understand it. Can you please explain? >> >> > PS: I think we should slowly kill this thread, I'm running "out >> of >> > ammo", your arguments also haven't been strong enough to make me >> change >> > my mind and I wouldn't want to make this into a flame... >> >> We have to make a decision. >> >> ~m >> >> >> >> I think that the Fedora Project is in a good spot here in that the >> default Gnome3 wallpaper is a shade of blue that coincides nicely with >> the colors that Fedora uses anyway. >> >> The same cannot be said of OpenSUSE, though. >> >> Given the hubbub that is in Fedora where there isn't really a conflict >> of colors, but other distros would likely have a conflict with the >> colors, would upstream Gnome be willing to compromise on this? Would >> upstream be willing to allow distros to create stripe-based wallpapers >> that include the same design pattern, same degree of saturation, same >> texture, etc., but use different distro-specific colors? After all, >> could we really expect OpenSUSE to ship a blue theme? So much of their >> artwork (website, icon set, metacity theme, etc.) is green. And I have >> never seen a blue gecko. : ( >> >> If we were able get a compromise like this, I think that there would be >> greater likelihood of buy-in from the various the distros. They would be >> representing and celebrating Gnome, but would retain key portions of >> their own distro "self." Perhaps even Ubuntu would be willing to ship an >> aubergine stripe-based theme as part of their wallpaper set (though, of >> course, not as their default, as they are using Unity). >> >> This could also potentially benefit Gnome, as they could do something >> like, "Different Colors, One Gnome," or something like that. The Gnome >> brand identity could be visible in the stripes, while the distros get >> their identity in the colors. >> >> Jim >> > > That's what I thought too > -- > Oku Onyeibo > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:twohot > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:40:15 +0100 > From: Martin Sourada <martin.sourada@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15 > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <1292751616.2356.178.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sat, 2010-12-18 at 20:34 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 02:16 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: >> > No, no, you misunderstood. I don't imply we should ship to gnome >> spins. >> > We should either ship in F15 gnome as pristine as possible or just do >> it >> > they way we do it usually. Neither of these should of course affect >> > other spins and IMHO also not DVD install. >> >> Why? Again, you are proposing this all or nothing thinking and I >> completely do not understand it. Can you please explain? >> > Because I don't understand at all why change only the wallpaper. How > does that help anyone. It's like doing something half-heartedly to me. > >> > PS: I think we should slowly kill this thread, I'm running "out of >> > ammo", your arguments also haven't been strong enough to make me >> change >> > my mind and I wouldn't want to make this into a flame... >> >> We have to make a decision. > Agreed. Seems to me like vote is the best option (probably FAS based as > not everyone has time to attend an IRC meeting). As I already said, > while I'm personally against granting this request, I wouldn't mind > granting it if majority of our team is for it. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 490 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/attachments/20101219/f3ec0a47/attachment-0001.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:04:18 +0200 > From: "WCMS 2011" <admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [Design-team] Call For Papers - 2011 World Congress on > Mathematics and Statistics > To: design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <46523605535841802212005@wsabry-PC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/attachments/20101220/6559d0f8/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:21:59 +0200 > From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15 > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <4D0F0417.8020607@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 12/17/2010 06:01 PM, Owen Taylor wrote: >> >> If the team doing the default Fedora desktop switched and did a GNOME >> remix instead this cycle, who would do the default Fedora desktop? >> (I'm sure you'd be happy to switch the default to KDE for this cycle, >> but... ;-) > > Yes, if you do a remix, nobody will object on whatever branding you > apply to it, as long as it is not our *default* download. > >> And how would we distinguish between the two different downloads when >> presenting options to the user? We'd basically be offering the user the >> choice between two different almost identical things because we couldn't >> come to a decision. > > One is the default download, linked practically from everywhere and the > other one is listed on the spins page, on the same level with everybody > else. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:02:26 +0100 > From: Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik@xxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15 > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <201012201002.26880.jreznik@xxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Saturday, December 18, 2010 02:23:52 am M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Hi Martin, >> >> On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 22:28 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: >> > IMHO this would lessen Fedora's visual identity a lot. Imagine you >> boot >> > a F15 Desktop Live and what you see is almost pristine GNOME 3 >> desktop. >> > Where's Fedora in it? Where's our own visual identity in it? >> >> Our visual identity would (if the proposal is accepted) be present on >> the website, on the DVD disc labels and sleeves, in syslinux, in the >> installer, in firstboot, in plymouth, and on the login screen. The >> wallpaper we design will be the default for GDM. >> >> > Moreover, >> > >> > KDE shipped our wallpaper with the 4.0 release, why should we treat >> > GNOME differently? Is it some new trend? >> >> I honestly don't remember the KDE SIG ever approaching us with this >> request. And honestly why would they? - they aren't the default >> download, so it's not up to this team, it's up to the KDE SIG what to >> do. This team, the design team, has purview over the default wallpaper >> in the default Fedora. Spins have always been able to change their >> wallpapers as they've liked, and we've even designed alternative >> wallpapers for them at their request (e.g., Education Spin and Security >> Spin.) > > Actually I asked for something I proposed here - KDE was in the same > situation > one year ago... And I still think it's a good idea - to merge > upstream/downstream branding - it would work best for both Gnome and KDE, > it's > long-term solution etc. I'll try to write down the proposal. > > But you said it - Gnome spin is now the default one - we should take care > about > our jewel. > > R. > >> > OK, so upstream wants to promote GNOME 3. I'm not a fan of gnome-shell >> > (quite the contrary), but let them do it. But why the visual identity? >> > It's the behaviour, the work-flow, the experience that makes GNOME 3 >> > from end-user point of view, and it's the visual identity that makes >> our >> > distro Fedora from end-user POV (among other things, but the visual >> > identity is the first thing you see). >> >> They believe the stripes is part of their upstream visual identity. To >> be fair, they are producing a lot of nice visual materials including >> videos that have the stripes - because as a DE they must remain neutral >> wrt distros, so they obviously cannot pick a favorite in choosing a >> wallpaper. They would like the visual identity then across >> GNOME-produced materials and Fedora materials and materials produced by >> journalists and other reviewers checking out GNOME 3 via Fedora to be >> consistent. This makes sense to me. After F15, it won't be as big a deal >> since all the hooplah will be over, so at that point we can go back to >> the standard operating procedure. >> >> > So in short, let's be *first* to ship GNOME 3 and let's be *first* to >> > ship it with our own visual identity. We, the fedora design team, >> should >> > be leaders in our area as well ;-) >> >> I am unsure if we will be the first to ship GNOME 3. Certainly we will >> be first to ship it by default. I don't understand how we are being >> leaders in what you suggest here. >> >> ~m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> design-team mailing list >> design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team > > -- > Jaroslav ?ezn?k <jreznik@xxxxxxxxxx> > Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno > > Office: +420 532 294 275 > Mobile: +420 602 797 774 > Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > design-team mailing list > design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team > > End of design-team Digest, Vol 20, Issue 17 > ******************************************* > _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
