tor, 22 11 2007 kl. 09:36 +0100, skrev Martin Sourada: > Well, they does not only look smaller, but they also are smaller - you > have a wider view when looking at iso perspective than when you reduce > to plain 2D head on perspective. When creating new icons we are trying > to simplify the 22x22 sizes enough so they should be easily perceptible > if though they are in the isometric perspective. > > I don't see the problems you list, but it might be because I am only a > half a metre from the screen (which has 98 DPI). The icons appear only > less colourful after applying the filters, but the shape remains well > defined. I just walked away from the screen to see which icons would work at that distance - I would disagree that you have well defined shapes to begin with. I also remind you that having a strong black outline helps the brain define the shape which is why the games icon appears to work so well. > In 16x16 size all icons in Echo are done in the head on perspective and > I have to admit they are usually harder to create than the perspective > 22x22 ones... I would heavily argue that for usability and accessibility reasons, the iso prespective needs to not be used for menu icons, they appear way to small and you lose a lot of the shape that we rely on for pattern recognition. > Yet, the isometric icons you'll mostly see on the desktop, in file > browsers and in the main menus. The rest are either action icons or > displayed at 16x16. And for action icons we does not use isometric > perspective. > > The orientation was chosen by Diana and we just follow it, I cannot > imagine how the opposite orientation worked better. Why am I suddenly reminded of that old game Lemmings? > We are aware of some of the problems listed in the article. That's why > we decided to include 22x22 sizes as well. All new created icons should > come in 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 32x32, 48x48 and scalable sizes and should > be optimised for these. The shape of the icons is the basic thing and we > are doing our best to define it well while retaining more realistic look > than tango does. > > I would much appreciate if you take some time and went through the Echo > styling guidelines [1] and point out the problems that leads the icons > to not being ally, or propose some additions. Save for the perspective, > which we already agreed on (and because of the help of SVG versions it > is far more easier to change styling of the icons than their > perspective), we are quite open to changes. To be honest, that sounds like a waste of time to me given that I spend an hour typing up a mail with a list of issues for you and you replied that you did not see them. You are really not making a good case for Echo as being able or willing to change to adapt to the needs to the visually impaired, I am more than will to accept that as your choice but it will remain a strong argument against Echo as our default iconset. - David
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