Hi. I started a thread on fedora-desktop mailing list and they suggested you also get involved you I joined this list also. Here are some of the key points from thread going on fedora-desktop mailing list. Valent Turkovic: I used Mint Linux (ubuntu derivative) and loved it's shutdown button. This looks to me much more user friendly than one we have on Fedora. First buttons for shutdown, restart, sleep and log-off have icons - and fedora has only naked buttons. The screen dims when you click on shutdown - really nice effect. This looks to me as standard Ubuntu button and not something ubuntu has made them selves so I was puzzled when I didn't see it in Fedora 7 test 3 or 4. Can you also include this - a much better version of shutdown button than one fedora currently uses. It is much more usable, and user frendly - and it has logoff button integrated in it and not separate (as it should also be on fedora IMHO). Please look at the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWuZvOAAE9c Matthias Clasen:
The logout dialog is one of the best-hated derivations from upstream that you can find in Ubuntu.
Hated by whom? And why? Can you explain a bit?
Don't expect us to blindly follow them where they err, just because it looks shiny.
I don't care if it is ubunut, gentoo, opensuse or fedora... but when I as a user see when one distro has taken one component and really made it shine (not as eyecandy) for users and made it much more user friendly and made it better usabillity wise ie. big icons that users get right away - that makes me want to see that kind of progress on all other linux desktops. Why do you thing that it is a mistake? Because they did it themselves independent of Gnome? I thought that it was part of gnome but that just fedora wasn't using it. Gnome people should see this as work done for them and include it in gnome.... if they like it. Or atlest give us users option to choose which shutdown button we would use. Jeroen van Meeuwen:
IMHO, a shutdown button is a shutdown button... it shuts your computer down... if you want eye-candy (apart from whatever anyone subjectively considers eye-candy), you shouldn't shut down the computer in the first place.
If you looked atleast at one desktop usability study you wouldn't say such tings. Buttons matter to users, colors of buttons matter... the shape of buttons also matters... Rogue: I am not an active poster on this thread, but I do believe that this would be the right list to discuss the OP's issue. Isn't this supposed to be the fedora usability list? If we do come to the agreement that an icon along with the text makes more sense, then we could request the art-team, or the team incharge to incorporate the changes. In the current dialog, I do see a certain usability hindrance. I am typically used to shutting down my laptop before heading to work. Recently when I wished to hibernate the system instead, I found myself taking the effort of reading the text to get to the action that I intended to perform. I am not stating that icons are useless. Just that, it is easier for a lot of people to associate an image with an action. If appropriate icons were made available, and if I had used those icons through the menu-items, then at one glance, I would know the button to click on (within the shutdown dialog). Regarding the question on the surrounding items being dimmed, I believe this is a feature that a lot of new generation applications are also taking up. I do not have the links to prove my point at the moment, but I shall do my research on get back to you on it. I *guess* the idea here is to gain the user's attention towards the action in question, but I may be wrong on this one :-) Steffen Kluge:
> It is much more usable, and user frendly - and it has logoff button > integrated in it and not separate (as it should also be on fedora > IMHO). I for one are no fan of lumping logout and shutdown together. They are fundamentally different tasks, at least if you come from a Unix background.
When you say "unix" I hear "servers". Fedora should be more about desktop and user experience with this great desktop. You should look more towards the OSX than to unix in these matters. Look just what Apple has made with an "unix" system when they combined a great user experience. I still prefer Fedora to OSX, but I must say Fedora could do better it it borrowed some of the great solutions on OSX desktop. Different pieces should be logically grouped together even if the are for different tasks - that is done all the time - so I don't see any argument not to do it here. For a better desktop workflow for me it is nor logical to have two buttons - especially because you really have to look hard at them to make the distinction - and if you put them on gnome panel you have two buttons instead of one. To be more clear - I am talking about merging functionality of gnome panel buttons. In "System" gnome menu there is possibly a case for leaving them separate - but when I look at them now they look too similar - and it there wasn't text beside them I would have to give them a really hard look before deciding which button to push. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
