I am awfully sorry, but it I do not understand why my thunderbird puts sometimes the attachements inline at all. So, here's the message again, hopefully ok now. Agreed. Still, if we drop out the microscope idea, we still would have to decide, whether to use a tool with a page or without, whether it would be cog, wrench or screwdriver or hammer. If we use it with a page, will it be inside (like in tango icon theme) our outside the page? Also there are two IMHO similar icons - document-page-setup for set up page settings and document-properites to set up/look at document properties. E.g. in tango document-page-setup is listed in naming specs, but was never created(?), while document-properties does look more or less what document-page-setup could look like. I would suggest to make these two icons (slightly) different. We can adopt a bluecurve idea for document-properties using the tool alone (I would prefer wrench [the one with orange handle] to the other three). I think, page is not necesarry there, since the same icon is usually used for accesing whatever file properties, even of folders - that does not work good with page IMO. For document-page-setup I would pick the same tool as for document-properties, but combine it with a page. Does it make sense to you? Also I added outlines to the #2 and #5 and their smaller versions. I think they look better than the first version and #5 a little better than #2 IMO. Regards, Martin Sourada Attachments: [1] document-properties-2a_16.png (screwdriver, 16x16) [2] document-properties-2a_24.png (screwdriver, 24x24) [3] document-properties-2a_48.png (screwdriver, 48x48) [4] document-properties-5a_16.png (wrench, 16x16) [5] document-properties-5a_24.png (wrench, 24x24) [6] document-properties-5a_48.png (wrench, 48x48) Diana Fong napsal(a): > Ben Arnold wrote: >> On 07/03/07, Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> Diana Fong wrote: >>> >>> > I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or >>> > screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properties' >>> > and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscope >>> > can cause confusion. >>> setup is very different from properties. You go into setup to change >>> stuff and have access to configuration utilities. OTOH properties are >>> mostly used in passive look-at-it context, and a lot of properties are >>> static >> >> Setup for base settings while properties are per-session or document? >> >> If I'm honest, the microscope would not work as well as a metaphor >> because that says 'search' or 'analyse' to me rather than properties. >> That said, I always look for the text alongside that icon because it >> is an easily identifiable word but that doesn't excuse it in toolbars. >> The doc-prop-4 without the cog to the bottom-right and the single >> spanner in #2 are my personal favourites. I think #4 would fit in more >> with the other action emblems and #4 gives across the idea of more >> core/basic settings well. > > 'Properties' does seem to present less options to change, however (using > OpenOffice Writer as an example) it does seem that the user can set or > tweak some things. I think that's what's causing the confusion, the > ability to set changes. Therefore, I like Ben's explanation best...that > setup is for base settings while properties are per-session/document. > Both of which indicate some sort of tweaking or change, which a > microscope doesn't really convey. > I'd like to propose we continue to use the hammer/wrench for 'setup' > since we seem to all agree that 'setup' allows for the most change. As > for properties, personally...I would like to stick with the same > hammer/wrench or cog symbol. However, I feel less strongly about this > point...as 'properties' also seem to present a lot of information that > is static as well. We can definitely test out the microscope idea, and > see how people feel when used in context. > > To throw another related term in the mix...'preferences'...I think > should probably follow what we choose for 'setup' as it also allows for > much setting and changing of things. > > Thanks, > Diana Fong > --- > Red Hat Visual Designer > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@xxxxxxxxxx > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >
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