--------------050900090406010108090505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed. Still, if we drop out the microscope idea, we still would have to= decide, whether to use a tool with a page or without, whether it would be= cog, wrench or screwdriver or hammer. If we use it with a page, will it be ins= ide (like in tango icon theme) our outside the page? Also there are two IMHO = similar icons - document-page-setup for set up page settings and document-properi= tes to set up/look at document properties. E.g. in tango document-page-setup is = listed in naming specs, but was never created(?), while document-properties does= look more or less what document-page-setup could look like. I would suggest to make these two icons (slightly) different. We can adop= t a bluecurve idea for document-properties using the tool alone (I would pref= er wrench [the one with orange handle] to the other three). I think, page is= not necesarry there, since the same icon is usually used for accesing whateve= r file properties, even of folders - that does not work good with page IMO. For document-page-setup I would pick the same tool as for document-properties= , but combine it with a page. Does it make sense to you? Also I added outlines to the #2 and #5 and their smaller versions. I thin= k they look better than the first version and #5 a little better than #2 IMO. Regards, Martin Sourada Attachments: [1] document-properties-2a_16.png (screwdriver, 16x16) [2] document-properties-2a_24.png (screwdriver, 24x24) [3] document-properties-2a_48.png (screwdriver, 48x48) [4] document-properties-5a_16.png (wrench, 16x16) [5] document-properties-5a_24.png (wrench, 24x24) [6] document-properties-5a_48.png (wrench, 48x48) Diana Fong napsal(a): > Ben Arnold wrote: >> On 07/03/07, Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> Diana Fong wrote: >>> >>> > I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or >>> > screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properti= es' >>> > and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microsco= pe >>> > can cause confusion. >>> setup is very different from properties. You go into setup to change >>> stuff and have access to configuration utilities. OTOH properties are= >>> mostly used in passive look-at-it context, and a lot of properties ar= e >>> static >> >> Setup for base settings while properties are per-session or document? >> >> If I'm honest, the microscope would not work as well as a metaphor >> because that says 'search' or 'analyse' to me rather than properties. >> That said, I always look for the text alongside that icon because it >> is an easily identifiable word but that doesn't excuse it in toolbars.= >> The doc-prop-4 without the cog to the bottom-right and the single >> spanner in #2 are my personal favourites. I think #4 would fit in more= >> with the other action emblems and #4 gives across the idea of more >> core/basic settings well.=20 >=20 > 'Properties' does seem to present less options to change, however (usin= g > OpenOffice Writer as an example) it does seem that the user can set or > tweak some things. I think that's what's causing the confusion, the > ability to set changes. Therefore, I like Ben's explanation best...tha= t > setup is for base settings while properties are per-session/document.=20 > Both of which indicate some sort of tweaking or change, which a > microscope doesn't really convey. > I'd like to propose we continue to use the hammer/wrench for 'setup' > since we seem to all agree that 'setup' allows for the most change. As= > for properties, personally...I would like to stick with the same > hammer/wrench or cog symbol. However, I feel less strongly about this > point...as 'properties' also seem to present a lot of information that > is static as well. We can definitely test out the microscope idea, and= > see how people feel when used in context. >=20 > To throw another related term in the mix...'preferences'...I think > should probably follow what we choose for 'setup' as it also allows for= > much setting and changing of things. >=20 > Thanks, > Diana Fong > --- > Red Hat Visual Designer >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@xxxxxxxxxx > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >=20 --------------050900090406010108090505 Content-Type: image/png; name="document-properties-2a_16.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="document-properties-2a_16.png" iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAAf8/9hAAAABHNCSVQICAgIfAhkiAAAAAlw SFlzAAACTwAAAk8B95E4kAAAABl0RVh0U29mdHdhcmUAd3d3Lmlua3NjYXBlLm9yZ5vuPBoA AAJZSURBVDiNjdJLSFRRGAfw/3lcxzt3Rk3H0YiRgqCFBRUSudDsQVJBBhL2IEiSihQhKaio pS1qYc+FIhIJJSQJPRYuCjGUMFqUzlhCRGXOOKOTk6N3Hvec06IaKvNx1uf35//xfUQphaW8 sqrq3Xku1yVX9rLVY+PjD7parp8CAL4UvO3gsdKS4s2PebpOo+GQmgyHU25JAR6P5ynR0mjS nIHX54v0drYfL91/tErXbWvIYiNsP1SjFxYWRnJduRqnBCPeN/EpM9lTuW/vzoH+vviCDcqP nKCZGc5uwzA0xhh0w47ish02p8MoF5aF0TF/jM6H91TXUsMwXhQUrCzhnINSCkopGOMglOHz xw/quxm7898GFTX1zGZL63e73ZsY5yCEAASgUiDkHxWDgUDsre9dw/OOtpY5AZUnTzPO2EvD kVEESgEoKKWgEYm+3p6R4FR03bP7rYnf//8aoar2DFcSA4TzIkUAqJ84nRG8Hnj1Phw11/6J gV9rPFx/bksiEetSUjjMpNR0zqCkgpQKRhrHsHfIF5mNre9ub07+25gNT0TrQhOTHaFvEbuZ sBjnHJxr4JwjN8uJsS+fhiJmYsOTtttzMADw6MzsxelZkwKAUgpSSkghkO00MB7wD0bjYuOj 1pvWfNuiUMqZn52pVnlW9DjsekJKCSEFpDltxSy562Fz07wYAGieK+e82+2u6Lh1daumaUEh BIQQCAaDghISWAgDQOqUD9SdbQxOTF6IJy04mFI5+csb7t24cm2xgNQdKCjkZGV8lUqEDLuz 8W7T5c7FMAD8AD1LAk1Q7kcoAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC --------------050900090406010108090505 Content-Type: image/png; 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