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Today's Topics:
1. Re: more natural colors (David Zeuthen)
2. Re: more natural colors (Mike Chalmers)
3. Re: more natural colors (Paul W. Frields)
4. Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2
(M?ir?n Duffy)
5. GTK2 Roundabout (Andrea Cimitan)
6. GTK2 Roundabout (Andrea Cimitan)
7. Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2
(John Baer)
8. Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2
(John Baer)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:40:10 -0500
From: David Zeuthen <david@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: more natural colors
To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including
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Mike Chalmers wrote:
There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you
think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural
because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference.
I really agree here. The Fedora artwork is nice sure, but it really
don't remind me of e.g. a peaceful natural forest or other things that I
associate with nature; it has this certain sense of synthetic quality
that is hard to pin point. It's also a bit too dark and detailed for my
personal taste. To each their own I guess.
+1 for back to nature. Thanks.
David
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:39:29 -0500
From: "Mike Chalmers" <mikechalmers70@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: more natural colors
To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including
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On 12/12/06, Máirín Duffy <duffy@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Mike,
On 12/12/06, Máirín Duffy <duffy@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think a lot of the themes we've got proposed have natural-looking
palettes - a lot are focused on the night sky, with various shades of
light and deep blue.
Mike Chalmers wrote:
The colors I speak of, are natural colors of pure life, trees and
grass and earth. Not fire, metallic water, futuristic technological
designs, lustful colors, metallic trees, stuff like that. Red Hat is
definitely unnatural colors as is Fedora. I think if we think about it
we can realize that, especially as artist.
Things like blue metallic water, for example, compared to regular blue
water is incomparable. Or metallic silver trees compared to green leaf
trees or leaves in the fall.
How about the blue night skies in some of our FC7 mockups?
There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you
think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural
because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference.
I'm not really following. I don't think it's fair to say the color red
is unnatural in all cases so hopefully I am misunderstanding you there?
Certainly you can talk about a color's treatment in the context of a
color palette or its usage in a piece of artwork as being unnatural or
not. Even if you restate it in that way, however, I would still argue
Red Hat's treatment of the color red is certainly not predominantly
'unnatural'. Other words come to mind ('bold' since it's bright and
attention-grabbing, 'different' as most tech companies go silver or
blue) but I really can't say 'unnatural' comes to mind. Not that RH's
graphic design is something we really have any say over in the Fedora
art team :)
I think you may be on to some helpful critique here that we could apply
to our FC7 artwork. To make an effective case here, however, and provide
us with more useful feedback you really need to cite specific examples
and qualify some of the statements you are making as they come across as
somewhat vague to me. E.g., *which* Fedora artwork looks 'unnatural' to
you? (provide links to screenshots or mockups) Why exactly? What parts
of each piece communicate 'unnatural' to you?
Fedora's colors remind me of the movies The Matrix.
I am not knocking Fedora, I love it. It just hurts me that the colors
aren't used to a more natural earthy approach.
Mike, I think I'm understanding you a bit more but I wish you could
provide more specific feedback. :)
What about the theme mockups I cited doesn't come across as natural to
you? I'm really confused:
[1]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wallpaper-moonlight2.png
[2]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flyinghigh-moonlight.png
[3]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-night2.png
Do you think any of these appears unnatural? Why, specifically? It can't
just be the colors - there's a lot more that gives a piece of artwork
its feel than the specific colors in it, you know? What does each one
remind you of that isn't unnatural? Why?
Blue is a color that appears quite often in nature. If you would like to
see themes that use a particular palette you like (you mention grass and
earth a lot - green and brown - rather than the sky which is in fact
blue when we are lucky :) ) then there's certainly nothing stopping you
from taking some of the proposals we have on the table right now and
experimenting with different color palettes in them. But I don't really
think it's quite accurate to sweepingly judge all Fedora (and Red Hat
for that matter) artwork as 'unnatural' based on the names of the colors
involved rather than the treatment of the colors in them. Like I said
above, it would be more fair to cite specific examples.
While the Fedora logo's colors won't be changing anytime soon, we can
most certainly investigate non-blue options as far as the color palette
for the theme artwork goes.
~m
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Thanks, Máirín. I mean no harm to Fedora, believe me. I will do my
best to answer your questions later. I am not the best artist though,
actually I would call me a drawer with dreams, lol. :-)
Kind Regards,
Mike
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:57:18 -0500
From: "Paul W. Frields" <stickster@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: more natural colors
To: Discussions about the artwork "included with Fedora, including
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On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 16:40 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
Mike Chalmers wrote:
There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you
think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural
because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference.
I really agree here. The Fedora artwork is nice sure, but it really
don't remind me of e.g. a peaceful natural forest or other things that I
associate with nature; it has this certain sense of synthetic quality
that is hard to pin point. It's also a bit too dark and detailed for my
personal taste. To each their own I guess.
+1 for back to nature. Thanks.
I think by "unnatural" the OP means a color that is highly saturated
(i.e. high in the "S" field with regard to HSV) beyond what one finds in
the majority of natural settings. Our art tends toward cobalt and
cerulean, which are maybe a bit more harsh to his eye. I have no beef
with it myself -- just hoping to elucidate.
