"IT3 Stuart Blake Tener, USNR-R" wrote: > In terms of enterprise reliability, I understand, however, having an > "office recommended journaling filesystem", Some journaling filesystems can be _worse_ than non-journaled. If the recovery mechanism of the JFS is to "aggressively" go to the journal, journal mis-reads can _toast_ a filesystem. I'll take a full fsck that _always_ works to a jounaling filesystem that aggressively goes to the journal, or has unproven recovery tools. I have experienced this on NTFS many times. To the point where I _force_ a CHKDSK anyway, on any improper shutdown (effectively negating the benefit of a JFS). NTFS is based on IBM's OS/2 HPFS, so this isn't just a Microsoft design mentality (as HPFS follows some of the same logic). 3rd party sources (i.e. could be heresy) says IBM's JFS follows this "aggressive" journaling attitude -- so combined with the lack of various kernel/utility support in JFS for Linux right now, I'm not using it either. I'll admit, ReiserFS doesn't seem to be overly "aggressive" in journal reads. But there is something to be said about the Namesys' "focus" on the all-important "recovery" tools (probably because they don't get updated immediately when structures do). Case in point, I've had people with just "unclean" ReiserFS partitions _toast_ them when running a full fsck. On the other hand, I've had physical disk errors before, but fsck.ext2/3 comes through everytime with a recovered fs. When some Windows bigot gets on me about Ext2 not being a "journaling filesystem," there is no arguing with the proven reliability of an Ext2 fsck. > and allowing people to install ReiserFS as the root filesystem > notwithstanding that recommendation, is two different things. > I do hope that in the next release of RH Linux, the ability to install > into ReiserFS root filesystems is inclusive to the distribution. Many > vendors allow customers to install software in unsupported configurations. > Allowing customers to install that way, does not mean that you have to > support it. Unfortunately, it seems RedHat's customers do not see it that way. Mandrake supports Ext3, JFS, ReiserFS and XFS "out-of-the-box." It has a nice installer and configuration suite that is sweet. And if you have non-commodity hardware or configurations, it breaks all over the freak'n place. I know. After reporting things time and time again, they never get fixed. I fixed a few things, but gave up when it came to submission. I also see regular kernel panics with Mandrake kernels. RedHat may not have everything in its installer, tools and support, but what it does it does well with few bugs (that _never_ go "unfixed" more than a month). This is what RedHat does. > I am not operating in an enterprise environment (my laptop), > thus my concerns are different. Therefore, I suppose I do not see why > the option to do that (perhaps albeit with a warning message) is not > there. Because RedHat doesn't want to support it! Period. And there are endless reasons why. The filesystem is _everything_, and RedHat would have to ask, "what filesystem are you using?" everytime a support call comes in. And trust me, there are a _lot_ of issues that are ReiserFS-specific. > I was not aware that devfs could be mounted from fstab! I will > look into that. It can also be removed as a boot-time option. -- Bryan -- Bryan J. Smith, Engineer mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc. http://www.linux-wlan.org SmithConcepts, Inc. http://www.SmithConcepts.com --------------------------------------------------------- 1999 IRS Data: The top 1% of income earners pay over 36% of the taxes, but have less than 20% of the total income.
