On 2025/02/07 18:41, Hector Martin wrote: > On 2025/02/06 3:52, Simona Vetter wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 04, 2025 at 03:46:14AM +0900, Hector Martin wrote: >>> Adding Linus >>> >>> My 2c: If Linus doesn't pipe up with an authoritative answer to this >>> thread, Miguel and the other Rust folks should just merge this series >>> once it is reviewed and ready, ignoring Christoph's overt attempt at >>> sabotaging the project. If Linus pulls it, what Christoph says doesn't >>> matter. If Linus doesn't pull it, the R4L project is essentially dead >>> until either Linus or Christoph make a move. Everything else is beating >>> around the bush. >>> >>> Rust folks: Please don't waste your time and mental cycles on drama like >>> this. It's not worth your time. Either Linus likes it, or he doesn't. >>> Everything else is distractions orchestrated by a subset of saboteur >>> maintainers who are trying to demoralize you until you give up, because >>> they know they're going to be on the losing side of history sooner or >>> later. No amount of sabotage from old entrenched maintainers is going to >>> stop the world from moving forward towards memory-safe languages. >>> >>> FWIW, in my opinion, the "cancer" comment from Christoph would be enough >>> to qualify for Code-of-Conduct action, but I doubt anything of the sort >>> will happen. >> >> Yeah no. >> >> https://chaos.social/@sima/113942119012147959 >> >> This was about you, because typing a proper answer takes a bit longer. It >> was also about your toots on fedi, like this: >> >> https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/113941468353031993 >> >> And "haha it's only a joke" does not work with your public profile and following. >> >> I do understand the frustration and temptation to just burn it all to the >> ground, head the call of the sirens, or maybe for me more pick up goat >> farming in the Swiss Alps. But you can't have it both and expect to also >> be part of and contribute to the same community. And personally I don't >> appreciate getting drenched in gasoline while I'm trying to quench flames >> on the ground. >> >> And this isn't the first time or the second, by now it's a pretty clear >> pattern over some years. And with the first I could explain why you react >> like that and you had my full understanding, but eventually that runs a >> bit thin as an excuse. Now I'm left with the unlikely explanation that >> you just like thundering in as the cavalry, fashionably late, maximally >> destructive, because it entertains the masses on fedi or reddit or >> wherever. I have no idea what you're trying to achieve here, I really >> don't get it, but I am for sure fed up dealing with the fallout. >> >> Cheers, Sima > > Since we're into complaining about social media posts on the list now, > I'm going to link one of yours: > > https://chaos.social/@sima/113961496955043901 > > An R4L maintainer quit after multiple rounds of hostility, including > some completely unacceptable public comments bordering on downright > harassment from tytso, a situation which was widely publicized. > > If, according to you, that's "shockingly smooth" with "no outsized > drama" other than "what I stirred up" (I guess you also missed the whole > LWN post about this thread before I posted anything on Fedi? That's how > I even found out about this), then I'm glad I'm disengaging with this > community. The Stockholm syndrome and utter denial is palpable. > > I thought I could work with you on these issues; I don't know what > happened over the past year since we last had a private conversation > about this, but clearly you've changed your mind. > > Thus, as you kindly requested of me in social media, > > https://chaos.social/@sima/113961283260455876 > > I will now proceed to fuck off. Good luck. Oh, and one last thing. I've heard that, in whatever backroom conversations you've been having about this situation, there has apparently been a belief, explicit or implicit, that I am in any way employed to work on the Linux kernel. Unlike most people in this thread, I don't enjoy the luxury of a cushy tech job that pays me to deal with this community. I am supported exclusively by donations, which incidentally, have been steadily *de*creasing since the start of the Asahi Linux project. The project has zero corporate sponsorship. And I do believe the fact that essentially all high-level Linux kernel maintainers and contributors are paid by corporations to do it is a major factor that has caused this community to become wildly out of touch with what it means to be a community FOSS project. - Hector
