Hi Hans! thanks for your feedback! On 2024-06-24 11:11:40+0000, Hans de Goede wrote: > On 6/23/24 10:51 AM, Thomas Weißschuh wrote: > > The value of "min_input_signal" returned from ATIF on a Framework AMD 13 > > is "12". This leads to a fairly bright minimum display backlight. > > > > Add a generic quirk infrastructure for backlight configuration to > > override the settings provided by the firmware. > > Also add amdgpu as a user of that infrastructure and a quirk for the > > Framework 13 matte panel. > > Most likely this will also work for the glossy panel, but I can't test > > that. > > > > One solution would be a fixed firmware version, but given that the > > problem exists since the release of the hardware, it has been known for > > a month that the hardware can go lower and there was no acknowledgment > > from Framework in any way, I'd like to explore this alternative > > way forward. > > There are many panels where the brightness can go lower then the advertised > minimum brightness by the firmware (e.g. VBT for i915). For most users > the minimum brightness is fine, especially since going lower often may lead > to an unreadable screen when indoors (not in the full sun) during daylight > hours. And some users get confused by the unreadable screen and find it > hard to recover things from this state. There are a fair amount of complaints on the Framework forums about this. And that specific panel is actually readable even at 0% PWM. > So IMHO we should not be overriding the minimum brightness from the firmware > using quirks because: > > a) This is going to be an endless game of whack-a-mole Indeed, but IMO it is better to maintain the list in the kernel than forcing all users to resort to random forum advise and fiddle with lowlevel system configuration. > b) The new value may be too low for certain users / use-cases The various userspace wrappers already are applying a safety threshold to not go to "0". At least gnome-settings-daemon and brightnessctl do not go below 1% of brightness_max. They already have to deal with panels that can go completely dark. > With that said I realize that there are also many users who want to have > a lower minimum brightness value for use in the evening, since they find > the available minimum value still too bright. I know some people want this > for e.g. various ThinkPad models too.