On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 11:01:45AM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote: > On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 04:51:25PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Reviving this thread because I'm not sure what the outcome was. > > > > On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 11:52:12AM GMT, Daniel Vetter wrote: > > > > The only thing I'm saying is that this breaks the usual DRM requirements. > > > > If, as a maintainer, you're fine with breaking the rules and have a good > > > > motivation to do so, that's fine by me. Rules are meant to be broken from > > > > time to time depending on the situation. But please don't pretend that > > > > modetest/xrandr is valid user-space to pass the rules. > > > > > > I think it bends it pretty badly, because people running native Xorg are > > > slowly going away, and the modetest hack does not clear the bar for "is it > > > a joke/test/demo hack" for me. > > > > > > I think some weston (or whatever compositor you like) config file support > > > to set a bunch of "really only way to configure is by hand" output > > > properties would clear the bar here for me. Because that is a feature I > > > already mentioned that xrandr _does_ have, and which modetest hackery very > > > much does not. > > > > The expectation (and general usage) for that property was that it was > > set by the kernel command line and then was forgotten about. Old TVs > > require one mode and that's it, so it doesn't make much sense to change > > it while the system is live, you just want the default to work. > > > > So it's not really a matter of "the user-space code should be open" > > here, there's no user-space code, and there will likely never be given > > that it's mostly used to deal with decades-old systems at this point. > > Yeah if this is being used just with the kernel cmdline, then I guess > that's somewhat ok-ish. And TVs are horrible, so "massage your kernel > cmdline" is comparitively not a horrible interface :-P > > Anyway, I guess this makes this an ack. To clarify, since people asked about this on irc and why it's not a terrible precedence. This is very much just for very, very dead old tech like analog TVs. If people try this escape hatch for hdmi or dp screens, the answer will be completely different :-) -Sima -- Daniel Vetter Software Engineer, Intel Corporation http://blog.ffwll.ch
