Re: [RFC PATCH 2/6] mm/gmem: add arch-independent abstraction to track address mapping status

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On 02.12.23 15:50, Pedro Falcato wrote:
On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 9:23 AM David Hildenbrand <david@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 28.11.23 13:50, Weixi Zhu wrote:
This patch adds an abstraction layer, struct vm_object, that maintains
per-process virtual-to-physical mapping status stored in struct gm_mapping.
For example, a virtual page may be mapped to a CPU physical page or to a
device physical page. Struct vm_object effectively maintains an
arch-independent page table, which is defined as a "logical page table".
While arch-dependent page table used by a real MMU is named a "physical
page table". The logical page table is useful if Linux core MM is extended
to handle a unified virtual address space with external accelerators using
customized MMUs.

Which raises the question why we are dealing with anonymous memory at
all? Why not go for shmem if you are already only special-casing VMAs
with a MMAP flag right now?

That would maybe avoid having to introduce controversial BSD design
concepts into Linux, that feel like going a step backwards in time to me
and adding *more* MM complexity.


In this patch, struct vm_object utilizes a radix
tree (xarray) to track where a virtual page is mapped to. This adds extra
memory consumption from xarray, but provides a nice abstraction to isolate
mapping status from the machine-dependent layer (PTEs). Besides supporting
accelerators with external MMUs, struct vm_object is planned to further
union with i_pages in struct address_mapping for file-backed memory.

A file already has a tree structure (pagecache) to manage the pages that
are theoretically mapped. It's easy to translate from a VMA to a page
inside that tree structure that is currently not present in page tables.

Why the need for that tree structure if you can just remove anon memory
from the picture?


The idea of struct vm_object is originated from FreeBSD VM design, which
provides a unified abstraction for anonymous memory, file-backed memory,
page cache and etc[1].

:/

Currently, Linux utilizes a set of hierarchical page walk functions to
abstract page table manipulations of different CPU architecture. The
problem happens when a device wants to reuse Linux MM code to manage its
page table -- the device page table may not be accessible to the CPU.
Existing solution like Linux HMM utilizes the MMU notifier mechanisms to
invoke device-specific MMU functions, but relies on encoding the mapping
status on the CPU page table entries. This entangles machine-independent
code with machine-dependent code, and also brings unnecessary restrictions.

Why? we have primitives to walk arch page tables in a non-arch specific
fashion and are using them all over the place.

We even have various mechanisms to map something into the page tables
and get the CPU to fault on it, as if it is inaccessible (PROT_NONE as
used for NUMA balancing, fake swap entries).

The PTE size and format vary arch by arch, which harms the extensibility.

Not really.

We might have some features limited to some architectures because of the
lack of PTE bits. And usually the problem is that people don't care
enough about enabling these features on older architectures.

If we ever *really* need more space for sw-defined data, it would be
possible to allocate auxiliary data for page tables only where required
(where the features apply), instead of crafting a completely new,
auxiliary datastructure with it's own locking.

So far it was not required to enable the feature we need on the
architectures we care about.


[1] https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/vm-design/

In the cover letter you have:

"The future plan of logical page table is to provide a generic
abstraction layer that support common anonymous memory (I am looking at
you, transparent huge pages) and file-backed memory."

Which I doubt will happen; there is little interest in making anonymous
memory management slower, more serialized, and wasting more memory on
metadata.

Also worth noting that:

1) Mach VM (which FreeBSD inherited, from the old BSD) vm_objects
aren't quite what's being stated here, rather they are somewhat
replacements for both anon_vma and address_space[1]. Very similarly to
Linux, they take pages from vm_objects and map them in page tables
using pmap (the big difference is anon memory, which has its
bookkeeping in page tables, on Linux)

2) These vm_objects were a horrendous mistake (see CoW chaining) and
FreeBSD has to go to horrendous lengths to make them tolerable. The
UVM paper/dissertation (by Charles Cranor) talks about these issues at
length, and 20 years later it's still true.

3) Despite Linux MM having its warts, it's probably correct to
consider it a solid improvement over FreeBSD MM or NetBSD UVM

And, finally, randomly tacking on core MM concepts from other systems
is at best a *really weird* idea. Particularly when they aren't even
what was stated!

Can you read my mind? :) thanks for noting all that, with which I 100% agree.

--
Cheers,

David / dhildenb




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