alan:snip > This is why I asked if it was it was "basically certain that in a > production environment, then it will eventually return 1 meaning it's > ready". Alan's response was a little ambiguous on this point. alan: if we get a '2' and never transition to '1' - thats a kernel bug or firmware / system issue. > Arguably a transition from 2 to -ENODEV could be considered a kernel > bug, but it doesn't sound like Alan would agree. :) Maybe Alan would > agree to saying it's either a kernel, or system integration bug. alan: agreed - that would be a kernel bug or a system integration bug. I also agreed on the init-flow vs app-usage thoughts Jordan had. That said MESA has many ways it can use this UAPI and we can discuss that on the MESA patch. hmmm.. so... ack anyone? [insert big hopeful smiley here] apologies if I am asking too often.