On 2023-04-05 13:26:43, Jordan Justen wrote: > On 2023-04-05 00:45:24, Lionel Landwerlin wrote: > > On 04/04/2023 19:04, Yang, Fei wrote: > > >> Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 7/7] drm/i915: Allow user to set cache at BO creation > > >> > > >> Just like the protected content uAPI, there is no way for userspace to tell > > >> this feature is available other than trying using it. > > >> > > >> Given the issues with protected content, is it not thing we could want to add? > > > Sorry I'm not aware of the issues with protected content, could you elaborate? > > > There was a long discussion on teams uAPI channel, could you comment there if > > > any concerns? > > > > > > > We wanted to have a getparam to detect protected support and were told > > to detect it by trying to create a context with it. > > > > An extensions system where the detection mechanism is "just try it", > and assume it's not supported if it fails. ?? > I guess no one wants to discuss the issues with this so-called detection mechanism for i915 extensions. (Just try it and if it fails, it must not be supported.) I wonder how many ioctls we will be making a couple years down the road just to see what the kernel supports. Maybe we'll get more fun 8 second timeouts to deal with. Maybe these probing ioctls failing or succeeding will alter the kmd's state in some unexpected way. It'll also be fun to debug cases where the driver is not starting up with the noise of a bunch of probing ioctls flying by. I thought about suggesting at least something like I915_PARAM_CMD_PARSER_VERSION, but I don't know if that could have prevented this 8 second timeout for creating a protected content context. Maybe it's better than nothing though. Of course, there was also the vague idea I threw out below for getting a list of supported extentions. -Jordan > > This seem likely to get more and more problematic as a detection > mechanism as more extensions are added. > > > > > Now it appears trying to create a protected context can block for > > several seconds. > > > > Since we have to report capabilities to the user even before it creates > > protected contexts, any app is at risk of blocking. > > > > This failure path is not causing any re-thinking about using this as > the extension detection mechanism? > > Doesn't the ioctl# + input-struct-size + u64-extension# identify the > extension such that the kernel could indicate if it is supported or > not. (Or, perhaps return an array of the supported extensions so the > umd doesn't have to potentially make many ioctls for each extension of > interest.) > > -Jordan
