On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 01:49:43PM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 08:21, Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > This reverts 26b1d3b527e7 ("drm/atomic: Take the atomic toys away from
> > X"), a rootkit-like kludge that has no business being inside of a
> > general purpose kernel. It's the type of debugging hack I'll use
> > momentarily but never commit, or a sort of babbies-first-process-hider
> > malware trick.
> >
> > The backstory is that some userspace code -- xorg-server -- has a
> > modesetting DDX that isn't really coded right. With nobody wanting to
> > maintain X11 anymore, rather than fixing the buggy code, the kernel was
> > adjusted to avoid having to touch X11. A bummer, but fair enough: if the
> > kernel doesn't want to support some userspace API any more, the right
> > thing to do is to arrange for a graceful fallback where userspace thinks
> > it's not available in a manageable way.
> >
> > However, the *way* it goes about doing that is just to check
> > `current->comm[0] == 'X'`, and disable it for only that case. So that
> > means it's *not* simply a matter of the kernel not wanting to support a
> > particular userspace API anymore, but rather it's the kernel not wanting
> > to support xorg-server, in theory, but actually, it turns out, that's
> > all processes that begin with 'X'.
> >
> > Playing games with current->comm like this is obviously wrong, and it's
> > pretty shocking that this ever got committed.
>
> I've been ignoring this because I don't really want to reintroduce a
> regression for deployed X servers. I don't see the value.
>
> You use a lot of what I'd call overly not backed up language. Why is
> it obviously wrong though? Is it "playing games" or is it accessing
> the comm to see if the process starts with X.
>
> Do we have lots of userspace processes starting with X that access
> this specific piece of the drm modesetting API. I suppose we might and
> if we have complaints about that I'd say let's try to fix it better.
>
> Sometimes engineering is hard, It was a big enough problem that a big
> enough hammer was used.
>
> I'd hope @Daniel Vetter can comment as well since the original patch was his.
Frankly I refrained from replying when I've seen the patch originally
because I didn't manage to come up with a nice&constructive reply like you
did here. The only thing novel here is the amount of backhanded insults
folded into the commit message.
I very much welcome constructive contributions that actually solve the
problem here, or at least move it forward a bit. This patch is neither.
What might be an option is a tainting module option that disables this
check, since the amount of people willing&able to fix up Xorg is still
zero. But that would need to come with a proper commit message and all
that, and ideally a pile of acks from people who insist they really want
this and need it.
-Daniel
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Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch
