On 28/10/2022 17.07, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: > In yesterday's discussion on IRC, it was said that several devices > advertise ARGB framebuffers when the hardware actually uses XRGB? Is > there hardware that supports transparent primary planes? ARGB hardware probably exists in the form of embedded systems with preconfigured blending. For example, one could imagine an OSD-type setup where there is a hardware video scaler controlled entirely outside of DRM/KMS (probably by a horrible vendor driver), and the overlay framebuffer is exposed via simpledrm as a dumb memory region, and expects ARGB to work. So ideally, we wouldn't expose XRGB8888 on ARGB8888 systems. But there is this problem: arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/msm8998-oneplus-common.dtsi: format = "a8r8g8b8"; arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sdm630-sony-xperia-nile.dtsi: format = "a8r8g8b8"; arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sdm660-xiaomi-lavender.dts: format = "a8r8g8b8"; arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sdm845-shift-axolotl.dts: format = "a8r8g8b8"; arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sdm850-samsung-w737.dts: format = "a8r8g8b8"; arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sm6125-sony-xperia-seine-pdx201.dts: format = "a8r8g8b8"; arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sm6350-sony-xperia-lena-pdx213.dts: format = "a8r8g8b8"; arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sm7225-fairphone-fp4.dts: format = "a8r8g8b8"; arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sm8150-sony-xperia-kumano.dtsi: format = "a8r8g8b8"; arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sm8250-sony-xperia-edo.dtsi: format = "a8r8g8b8"; arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sm8350-sony-xperia-sagami.dtsi: format = "a8r8g8b8"; arch/arm64/boot/dts/socionext/uniphier-ld20-akebi96.dts: format = "a8r8g8b8"; I'm pretty sure those phones don't have transparent screens, nor magically put video planes below the firmware framebuffer. If there are 12 device trees for phones in mainline which lie about having alpha support, who knows how many more exist outside? If we stop advertising pretend-XRGB8888 on them, I suspect we're going to break a lot of software... Of course, there is one "correct" solution here: have an actual xrgb8888->argb8888 conversion helper that just clears the high byte. Then those platforms lying about having alpha and using xrgb8888 from userspace will take a performace hit, but they should arguably just fix their device tree in that case. Maybe this is the way to go in this case? Note that there would be no inverse conversion (no advertising argb8888 on xrgb8888 backends), so that one would be dropped vs. what we have today. This effectively keeps the "xrgb8888 helpers and nothing else" rule while actually supporting it for argb8888 backend framebuffers correctly. Any platforms actually wanting to use argb8888 framebuffers with meaningful alpha should be configuring their userspace to preferentially render directly to argb8888 to avoid the perf hit anyway. - Hector