On 1/17/22 16:00, Daniel Vetter wrote: > On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 1:16 PM Helge Deller <deller@xxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hello Daniel, >> >> On 1/17/22 11:02, Daniel Vetter wrote: >>> Hi Helge >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 7:18 PM Helge Deller <deller@xxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> The fbdev layer is orphaned, but seems to need some care. >>>> So I'd like to step up as new maintainer. >>>> >>>> Signed-off-by: Helge Deller <deller@xxxxxx> >>>> >>>> diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS >>>> index 5d0cd537803a..ce47dbc467cc 100644 >>>> --- a/MAINTAINERS >>>> +++ b/MAINTAINERS >>>> @@ -7583,11 +7583,12 @@ W: http://floatingpoint.sourceforge.net/emulator/index.html >>>> F: arch/x86/math-emu/ >>>> >>>> FRAMEBUFFER LAYER >>>> -L: dri-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> +M: Helge Deller <deller@xxxxxx> >>>> L: linux-fbdev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> -S: Orphan >>> >>> Maybe don't rush maintainer changes in over the w/e without even bothering >>> to get any input from the people who've been maintaining it before. >>> >>> Because the status isn't entirely correct, fbdev core code and fbcon and >>> all that has been maintained, but in bugfixes only mode. And there's very >>> solid&important reasons to keep merging these patches through a drm tree, >>> because that's where all the driver development happens, and hence also >>> all the testing (e.g. the drm test suite has some fbdev tests - the only >>> automated ones that exist to my knowledge - and we run them in CI). So >>> moving that into an obscure new tree which isn't even in linux-next yet is >>> no good at all. >>> >>> Now fbdev driver bugfixes is indeed practically orphaned and I very much >>> welcome anyone stepping up for that, but the simplest approach there would >>> be to just get drm-misc commit rights and push the oddball bugfix in there >>> directly. But also if you want to do your own pull requests to Linus for >>> that I don't care and there's really no interference I think, so >>> whatever floats. >>> >>> But any code that is relevant for drm drivers really needs to go in through >>> drm trees, nothing else makes much sense. >>> >>> I guess you're first action as newly minted fbdev maintainer is going to be to >>> clean up the confusion you just created. >> >> Most of my machines depend on a working fbdev layer since drm isn't (and probably >> -due to technical requirements of DRM- won't be) available for those. >> So, since the fbdev drivers were marked orphaned, I decided to step up as maintainer. >> >> I see your point that at least the fbdev core code and fbcon are shared between DRM and fbdev. >> For me it's really not important to drive any patches through a seperate tree, so >> I'd be happy to join the drm-misc tree if you feel it's necessary. (By the way, >> adding my tree to for-next was on my todo list...) >> >> What's important for me though is, to keep fbdev actively maintained, which means: >> a) to get fixes which were posted to fbdev mailing list applied if they are useful & correct, > > Yeah it'd be great if we have that, for a while Bart took care of > these, but had to step down again. drm-misc is maintained with the dim > scrip suite, which comes with docs and bash completion and everything. > Good starting pointer is here: > > https://drm.pages.freedesktop.org/maintainer-tools/getting-started.html > > Process for getting commit rights is documented here: > > https://drm.pages.freedesktop.org/maintainer-tools/commit-access.html#drm-misc > > But there's a pile more. I think once we've set that up and got it > going we can look at the bigger items. Some of them are fairly > low-hanging fruit, but the past 5+ years absolutely no one bothered to > step up and sort them out. Other problem areas in fbdev are extremely > hard to fix properly, without only doing minimal security-fixes only > support, so fair warning there. I think a good starting point would be > to read the patches and discussions for some of the things you've > reverted in your tree. > > Anyway I hope this gets you started, and hopefully after a minor > detour: Welcome to dri-devel, we're happy to take any help we can get, > there's lots to do! > Hello Daniel, you somehow missed to answer my main topics below...: > >> b) to include new drivers (for old hardware) if they arrive (probably happens rarely but there can be). >> I know of at least one driver which won't be able to support DRM.... >> Of course, if the hardware is capable to support DRM, it should be written for DRM and not applied for fbdev. >> c) reintroduce the state where fbcon is fast on fbdev. This is important for non-DRM machines, >> either when run on native hardware or in an emulator. >> d) not break DRM development >> >> Especially regarding c) I complained in [1] and got no feedback. I really would like to >> understand where the actual problems were and what's necessary to fix them. >> >> Helge >> >> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/r/feea8303-2b83-fc36-972c-4fc8ad723bde@xxxxxx > > >
