Ok then, I guess I will proceed with the dummy pages list implementation then.
Andrey
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/12] drm: Add dummy page per device or GEM object
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/12] drm: Add dummy page per device or GEM object
Mhm, I'm not aware of any let over pointer between TTM and GEM and we
worked quite hard on reducing the size of the amdgpu_bo, so another
extra pointer just for that corner case would suck quite a bit.
Christian.
Am 08.01.21 um 15:46 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
> Daniel had some objections to this (see bellow) and so I guess I need
> you both to agree on the approach before I proceed.
>
> Andrey
>
> On 1/8/21 9:33 AM, Christian König wrote:
>> Am 08.01.21 um 15:26 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
>>> Hey Christian, just a ping.
>>
>> Was there any question for me here?
>>
>> As far as I can see the best approach would still be to fill the VMA
>> with a single dummy page and avoid pointers in the GEM object.
>>
>> Christian.
>>
>>>
>>> Andrey
>>>
>>> On 1/7/21 11:37 AM, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/7/21 11:30 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 11:26:52AM -0500, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/7/21 11:21 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 04:04:16PM -0500, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/23/20 3:01 AM, Christian König wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am 23.11.20 um 05:54 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/20 9:15 AM, Christian König wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 21.11.20 um 06:21 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will be used to reroute CPU mapped BO's page faults once
>>>>>>>>>>>> device is removed.
>>>>>>>>>>> Uff, one page for each exported DMA-buf? That's not
>>>>>>>>>>> something we can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We need to find a different approach here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can't we call alloc_page() on each fault and link them together
>>>>>>>>>>> so they are freed when the device is finally reaped?
>>>>>>>>>> For sure better to optimize and allocate on demand when we reach
>>>>>>>>>> this corner case, but why the linking ?
>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't drm_prime_gem_destroy be good enough place to free ?
>>>>>>>>> I want to avoid keeping the page in the GEM object.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What we can do is to allocate a page on demand for each fault
>>>>>>>>> and link
>>>>>>>>> the together in the bdev instead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And when the bdev is then finally destroyed after the last
>>>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>>>> closed we can finally release all of them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>>> Hey, started to implement this and then realized that by
>>>>>>>> allocating a page
>>>>>>>> for each fault indiscriminately
>>>>>>>> we will be allocating a new page for each faulting virtual
>>>>>>>> address within a
>>>>>>>> VA range belonging the same BO
>>>>>>>> and this is obviously too much and not the intention. Should I
>>>>>>>> instead use
>>>>>>>> let's say a hashtable with the hash
>>>>>>>> key being faulting BO address to actually keep allocating and
>>>>>>>> reusing same
>>>>>>>> dummy zero page per GEM BO
>>>>>>>> (or for that matter DRM file object address for non imported
>>>>>>>> BOs) ?
>>>>>>> Why do we need a hashtable? All the sw structures to track this
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> still be around:
>>>>>>> - if gem_bo->dma_buf is set the buffer is currently exported as
>>>>>>> a dma-buf,
>>>>>>> so defensively allocate a per-bo page
>>>>>>> - otherwise allocate a per-file page
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That exactly what we have in current implementation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or is the idea to save the struct page * pointer? That feels a
>>>>>>> bit like
>>>>>>> over-optimizing stuff. Better to have a simple implementation
>>>>>>> first and
>>>>>>> then tune it if (and only if) any part of it becomes a problem
>>>>>>> for normal
>>>>>>> usage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly - the idea is to avoid adding extra pointer to
>>>>>> drm_gem_object,
>>>>>> Christian suggested to instead keep a linked list of dummy pages
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>> allocated on demand once we hit a vm_fault. I will then also
>>>>>> prefault the entire
>>>>>> VA range from vma->vm_end - vma->vm_start to vma->vm_end and map
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> to that single dummy page.
>>>>> This strongly feels like premature optimization. If you're worried
>>>>> about
>>>>> the overhead on amdgpu, pay down the debt by removing one of the
>>>>> redundant
>>>>> pointers between gem and ttm bo structs (I think we still have
>>>>> some) :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Until we've nuked these easy&obvious ones we shouldn't play "avoid 1
>>>>> pointer just because" games with hashtables.
>>>>> -Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, if you and Christian can agree on this approach and suggest
>>>> maybe what pointer is
>>>> redundant and can be removed from GEM struct so we can use the
>>>> 'credit' to add the dummy page
>>>> to GEM I will be happy to follow through.
>>>>
>>>> P.S Hash table is off the table anyway and we are talking only
>>>> about linked list here since by prefaulting
>>>> the entire VA range for a vmf->vma i will be avoiding redundant
>>>> page faults to same VMA VA range and so
>>>> don't need to search and reuse an existing dummy page but simply
>>>> create a new one for each next fault.
>>>>
>>>> Andrey
>>
worked quite hard on reducing the size of the amdgpu_bo, so another
extra pointer just for that corner case would suck quite a bit.
Christian.
Am 08.01.21 um 15:46 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
> Daniel had some objections to this (see bellow) and so I guess I need
> you both to agree on the approach before I proceed.
>
> Andrey
>
> On 1/8/21 9:33 AM, Christian König wrote:
>> Am 08.01.21 um 15:26 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
>>> Hey Christian, just a ping.
>>
>> Was there any question for me here?
>>
>> As far as I can see the best approach would still be to fill the VMA
>> with a single dummy page and avoid pointers in the GEM object.
>>
>> Christian.
>>
>>>
>>> Andrey
>>>
>>> On 1/7/21 11:37 AM, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/7/21 11:30 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 11:26:52AM -0500, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/7/21 11:21 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 04:04:16PM -0500, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/23/20 3:01 AM, Christian König wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am 23.11.20 um 05:54 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/20 9:15 AM, Christian König wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 21.11.20 um 06:21 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will be used to reroute CPU mapped BO's page faults once
>>>>>>>>>>>> device is removed.
>>>>>>>>>>> Uff, one page for each exported DMA-buf? That's not
>>>>>>>>>>> something we can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We need to find a different approach here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can't we call alloc_page() on each fault and link them together
>>>>>>>>>>> so they are freed when the device is finally reaped?
>>>>>>>>>> For sure better to optimize and allocate on demand when we reach
>>>>>>>>>> this corner case, but why the linking ?
>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't drm_prime_gem_destroy be good enough place to free ?
>>>>>>>>> I want to avoid keeping the page in the GEM object.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What we can do is to allocate a page on demand for each fault
>>>>>>>>> and link
>>>>>>>>> the together in the bdev instead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And when the bdev is then finally destroyed after the last
>>>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>>>> closed we can finally release all of them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>>> Hey, started to implement this and then realized that by
>>>>>>>> allocating a page
>>>>>>>> for each fault indiscriminately
>>>>>>>> we will be allocating a new page for each faulting virtual
>>>>>>>> address within a
>>>>>>>> VA range belonging the same BO
>>>>>>>> and this is obviously too much and not the intention. Should I
>>>>>>>> instead use
>>>>>>>> let's say a hashtable with the hash
>>>>>>>> key being faulting BO address to actually keep allocating and
>>>>>>>> reusing same
>>>>>>>> dummy zero page per GEM BO
>>>>>>>> (or for that matter DRM file object address for non imported
>>>>>>>> BOs) ?
>>>>>>> Why do we need a hashtable? All the sw structures to track this
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> still be around:
>>>>>>> - if gem_bo->dma_buf is set the buffer is currently exported as
>>>>>>> a dma-buf,
>>>>>>> so defensively allocate a per-bo page
>>>>>>> - otherwise allocate a per-file page
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That exactly what we have in current implementation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or is the idea to save the struct page * pointer? That feels a
>>>>>>> bit like
>>>>>>> over-optimizing stuff. Better to have a simple implementation
>>>>>>> first and
>>>>>>> then tune it if (and only if) any part of it becomes a problem
>>>>>>> for normal
>>>>>>> usage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly - the idea is to avoid adding extra pointer to
>>>>>> drm_gem_object,
>>>>>> Christian suggested to instead keep a linked list of dummy pages
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>> allocated on demand once we hit a vm_fault. I will then also
>>>>>> prefault the entire
>>>>>> VA range from vma->vm_end - vma->vm_start to vma->vm_end and map
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> to that single dummy page.
>>>>> This strongly feels like premature optimization. If you're worried
>>>>> about
>>>>> the overhead on amdgpu, pay down the debt by removing one of the
>>>>> redundant
>>>>> pointers between gem and ttm bo structs (I think we still have
>>>>> some) :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Until we've nuked these easy&obvious ones we shouldn't play "avoid 1
>>>>> pointer just because" games with hashtables.
>>>>> -Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, if you and Christian can agree on this approach and suggest
>>>> maybe what pointer is
>>>> redundant and can be removed from GEM struct so we can use the
>>>> 'credit' to add the dummy page
>>>> to GEM I will be happy to follow through.
>>>>
>>>> P.S Hash table is off the table anyway and we are talking only
>>>> about linked list here since by prefaulting
>>>> the entire VA range for a vmf->vma i will be avoiding redundant
>>>> page faults to same VMA VA range and so
>>>> don't need to search and reuse an existing dummy page but simply
>>>> create a new one for each next fault.
>>>>
>>>> Andrey
>>
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