On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 03:15:24PM +0300, Ville Syrjälä wrote: > On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 10:55:52AM -0700, Rob Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 4:05 AM Ville Syrjälä > > <ville.syrjala@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 01:52:56PM +0300, Ville Syrjälä wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 05:25:55PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 5:15 PM Rob Clark <robdclark@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:25 AM Daniel Vetter <daniel@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 11:16 PM Rob Clark <robdclark@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Rob Clark <robdclark@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The android userspace treats the display pipeline as a realtime problem. > > > > > > > > And arguably, if your goal is to not miss frame deadlines (ie. vblank), > > > > > > > > it is. (See https://lwn.net/Articles/809545/ for the best explaination > > > > > > > > that I found.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But this presents a problem with using workqueues for non-blocking > > > > > > > > atomic commit_work(), because the SCHED_FIFO userspace thread(s) can > > > > > > > > preempt the worker. Which is not really the outcome you want.. once > > > > > > > > the required fences are scheduled, you want to push the atomic commit > > > > > > > > down to hw ASAP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the decision of whether commit_work should be RT or not really > > > > > > > > depends on what userspace is doing. For a pure CFS userspace display > > > > > > > > pipeline, commit_work() should remain SCHED_NORMAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To handle this, convert non-blocking commit_work() to use per-CRTC > > > > > > > > kthread workers, instead of system_unbound_wq. Per-CRTC workers are > > > > > > > > used to avoid serializing commits when userspace is using a per-CRTC > > > > > > > > update loop. And the last patch exposes the task id to userspace as > > > > > > > > a CRTC property, so that userspace can adjust the priority and sched > > > > > > > > policy to fit it's needs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v2: Drop client cap and in-kernel setting of priority/policy in > > > > > > > > favor of exposing the kworker tid to userspace so that user- > > > > > > > > space can set priority/policy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah I think this looks more reasonable. Still a bit irky interface, > > > > > > > so I'd like to get some kworker/rt ack on this. Other opens: > > > > > > > - needs userspace, the usual drill > > > > > > > > > > > > fwiw, right now the userspace is "modetest + chrt".. *probably* the > > > > > > userspace will become a standalone helper or daemon, mostly because > > > > > > the chrome gpu-process sandbox does not allow setting SCHED_FIFO. I'm > > > > > > still entertaining the possibility of switching between rt and cfs > > > > > > depending on what is in the foreground (ie. only do rt for android > > > > > > apps). > > > > > > > > > > > > > - we need this also for vblank workers, otherwise this wont work for > > > > > > > drivers needing those because of another priority inversion. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a thought on that, see below.. > > > > > > > > > > Hm, not seeing anything about vblank worker below? > > > > > > > > > > > > - we probably want some indication of whether this actually does > > > > > > > something useful, not all drivers use atomic commit helpers. Not sure > > > > > > > how to do that. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm leaning towards converting the other drivers over to use the > > > > > > per-crtc kwork, and then dropping the 'commit_work` from atomic state. > > > > > > I can add a patch to that, but figured I could postpone that churn > > > > > > until there is some by-in on this whole idea. > > > > > > > > > > i915 has its own commit code, it's not even using the current commit > > > > > helpers (nor the commit_work). Not sure how much other fun there is. > > > > > > > > I don't think we want per-crtc threads for this in i915. Seems > > > > to me easier to guarantee atomicity across multiple crtcs if > > > > we just commit them from the same thread. > > > > > > Oh, and we may have to commit things in a very specific order > > > to guarantee the hw doesn't fall over, so yeah definitely per-crtc > > > thread is a no go. > > > > If I'm understanding the i915 code, this is only the case for modeset > > commits? I suppose we could achieve the same result by just deciding > > to pick the kthread of the first CRTC for modeset commits. I'm not > > really so much concerned about parallelism for modeset. > > I'm not entirely happy about the random differences between modesets > and other commits. Ideally we wouldn't need any. > > Anyways, even if we ignore modesets we still have the issue with > atomicity guarantees across multiple crtcs. So I think we still > don't want per-crtc threads, rather it should be thread for each > commit. > > Well, if the crtcs aren't running in lockstep then maybe we could > shove them off to separate threads, but that'll just complicate things > needlessly I think since we'd need yet another way to iterate > the crtcs in each thread. With the thread-per-commit apporach we > can just use the normal atomic iterators. > > > > > > I don't even understand the serialization argument. If the commits > > > are truly independent then why isn't the unbound wq enough to avoid > > > the serialization? It should just spin up a new thread for each commit > > > no? > > > > The problem with wq is prioritization and SCHED_FIFO userspace > > components stomping on the feet of commit_work. That is the entire > > motivation of this series in the first place, so no we cannot use > > unbound wq. > > This is a bit dejavu of the vblank worker discussion, where I actually > did want a per-crtc RT kthread but people weren't convinced they > actually help. The difference is that for vblank workers we actually > tried to get some numbers, here I've not seen any. The problem here is priority inversion, not latency: Android runs surface-flinger as SCHED_FIFO, so when surfaceflinger does something it can preempt the kernel's commit work, and we miss a frame. Apparently otherwise the soft-rt of just having a normal worker (with maybe elevated niceness) seems nice enough. Aside: I just double-checked, and vblank work has a per-crtc kthread. -Daniel -- Daniel Vetter Software Engineer, Intel Corporation http://blog.ffwll.ch _______________________________________________ dri-devel mailing list dri-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/dri-devel
