Hi Daniel,
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 05:53:59PM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 5:46 PM Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 05:22:38PM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 5:09 PM Emil Velikov wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 14:23, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 2:33 PM Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 03:28:47PM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 11:20:33AM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> >>>>>>> We have lots of these. And the cleanup code tends to be of dubious
> >>>>>>> quality. The biggest wrong pattern is that developers use devm_, which
> >>>>>>> ties the release action to the underlying struct device, whereas
> >>>>>>> all the userspace visible stuff attached to a drm_device can long
> >>>>>>> outlive that one (e.g. after a hotunplug while userspace has open
> >>>>>>> files and mmap'ed buffers). Give people what they want, but with more
> >>>>>>> correctness.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mostly copied from devres.c, with types adjusted to fit drm_device and
> >>>>>>> a few simplifications - I didn't (yet) copy over everything. Since
> >>>>>>> the types don't match code sharing looked like a hopeless endeavour.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For now it's only super simplified, no groups, you can't remove
> >>>>>>> actions (but kfree exists, we'll need that soon). Plus all specific to
> >>>>>>> drm_device ofc, including the logging. Which I didn't bother to make
> >>>>>>> compile-time optional, since none of the other drm logging is compile
> >>>>>>> time optional either.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> One tricky bit here is the chicken&egg between allocating your
> >>>>>>> drm_device structure and initiliazing it with drm_dev_init. For
> >>>>>>> perfect onion unwinding we'd need to have the action to kfree the
> >>>>>>> allocation registered before drm_dev_init registers any of its own
> >>>>>>> release handlers. But drm_dev_init doesn't know where exactly the
> >>>>>>> drm_device is emebedded into the overall structure, and by the time it
> >>>>>>> returns it'll all be too late. And forcing drivers to be able clean up
> >>>>>>> everything except the one kzalloc is silly.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Work around this by having a very special final_kfree pointer. This
> >>>>>>> also avoids troubles with the list head possibly disappearing from
> >>>>>>> underneath us when we release all resources attached to the
> >>>>>>> drm_device.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is all a very good idea ! Many subsystems are plagged by drivers
> >>>>>> using devm_k*alloc to allocate data accessible by userspace. Since the
> >>>>>> introduction of devm_*, we've likely reduced the number of memory leaks,
> >>>>>> but I'm pretty sure we've increased the risk of crashes as I've seen
> >>>>>> some drivers that used .release() callbacks correctly being naively
> >>>>>> converted to incorrect devm_* usage :-(
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This leads me to a question: if other subsystems have the same problem,
> >>>>>> could we turn this implementation into something more generic ? It
> >>>>>> doesn't have to be done right away and shouldn't block merging this
> >>>>>> series, but I think it would be very useful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It shouldn't be that hard to tie this into a drv_m() type of a thing
> >>>>> (driver_memory?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And yes, I think it's much better than devm_* for the obvious reasons of
> >>>>> this being needed here.
> >>>>
> >>>> There's two reasons I went with copypasta instead of trying to share code:
> >>>> - Type checking, I definitely don't want people to mix up devm_ with
> >>>> drmm_. But even if we do a drv_m that subsystems could embed we do
> >>>> have quite a few different types of component drivers (and with
> >>>> drm_panel and drm_bridge even standardized), and I don't want people
> >>>> to be able to pass the wrong kind of struct to e.g. a managed
> >>>> drmm_connector_init - it really needs to be the drm_device, not a
> >>>> panel or bridge or something else.
> >>>>
> >>>> - We could still share the code as a kind of implementation/backend
> >>>> library. But it's not much, and with embedding I could use the drm
> >>>> device logging stuff which is kinda nice. But if there's more demand
> >>>> for this I can definitely see the point in sharing this, as Laurent
> >>>> pointed out with the tiny optimization with not allocating a NULL void
> >>>> * that I've done (and screwed up) it's not entirely trivial code.
> >>>
> >>> My 2c as they say, although closer to a brain dump :-)
> >>>
> >>> On one hand the drm_device has an embedded struct device. On the other
> >>> drm_device preserves state which outlives the embedded struct device.
> >>>
> >>> Would it make sense to keep drm_device better related to the
> >>> underlying device? Effectively moving the $misc state to drm_driver.
> >>> This idea does raise another question - struct drm_driver unlike many
> >>> other struct $foo_driver, does not embedded device_driver :-(
> >>> So if one is to cover the above two, then the embedding concerns will
> >>> be elevated.
> >>
> >> drm_driver isn't a bus device driver in the linux driver model sense,
> >> but an uapi thing that sits on top of some underlying device. So maybe
> >> better to rename drm_driver to drm_interface_driver, and drm_device to
> >> drm_interface. But that would be giantic churn and probably lots of
> >> confusion. We do require a link between drm_device->struct device
> >> nowadays, but that's just to guarantee userspace can find the
> >> drm_device in sysfs somewhere and make sense of what it actually
> >> drives.
> >
> > If we wanted to rename drm_driver to align with the rest of the kernel,
> > it should probably be drm_device_ops, with the non-ops fields being
> > moved to a separate structure.
> >
> > I don't mind churn (but I agree it may not be worth it), but even if we
> > don't rename the structure, I think it would be very useful to remove
> > the non-const fields, in order to allow storing the structure as a
> > global static const struct. Function pointers in non-const memory can be
> > a security issue. As far as I can tell, the only blocker is the
> > legacy_dev_list field.
>
> Oh man ... we could make the legacy_dev_list depend on
> CONFIG_DRM_LEGACY and the INIT_LIST_HEAD also depend upon
> DRIVER_LEGACY and then at least all the new drivers could make their
> drm_driver structure const. Or something along those lines.
We would however need different function prototypes for drm_dev_init() &
co. that would take const struct drm_driver instead of struct
drm_driver.
> Properly ditching legacy_dev_list is probably not worth it, since
> those drivers tend to be all root exploits anyway :-)
What if we turned the list into a global list in drm_pci.c ?
> >> That's also why the lifetimes for the two things are totally
> >> different. The device driver an all it's resources are tied to the
> >> underlying physical device, and resources can be released when that
> >> driver<->device link is broken (either unbind or hotunplug). That's
> >> what devm_ does. The drm_driver/drm_device otoh is tied to the
> >> userspace api, and can only disappear once all the userspace handles
> >> have been cleaned up and released.
> >
> > And so they're tied to the lifetime of the struct device that models the
> > userspace interface. Shame they're both called device :-)
> >
> >> And we have an enormous amount of those, with all the mmaps, and
> >> shared fd for dma-buf, sync_file, synobj and whatever else. The
> >> drm_device can only be cleaned up once userspace has closed all these
> >> things, or we'll go boom somewhere. The only connection is that the
> >> userspace interface drives the underlying hw (as long as it's still
> >> there) and the hw side holds a reference on the uapi side
> >> (drm_dev_get/put) to make sure the userspace side doesn't go poof and
> >> disappear when no one has the /dev node open :-)
> >>
> >> But aside from these links they're completely separate worlds, and
> >> mixing up the lifetimes results in all kinds of bad things happening.
> >> Ofc normally these two things exist at the same time, but hotunplug
> >> makes things very interesting here. And traditionally we've handled it
> >> badly, if at all in drm.
> >>
> >>> WRT type safety, with the embedded work sorted, one could introduce
> >>> trivial helpers for drmm_connector_init and friends.
> >>>
> >>> In another email you've also raised the question of API diversity and
> >>> reviews, I believe. IMHO one could start with a bare minimum set and
> >>> extend as needed.
> >>> Based on the prompt response from Greg, I suspect review won't be an issue.
> >>
> >> The drmm_ stuff in here is the bare minimum we need to get started. I
> >> expect lots of stuff will be added, but those are all just going to be
> >> convenience functions on top of the drmm_add_action primitive.
> >>
> >>> If people agree with my analysis and considering the size/complexity
> >>> of drm_device <> drm_driver reshuffle, we could add a TODO task.
> >>> I suspect the underlying work will be larger than the current 52 patch
> >>> set, so doing it in one go will be PITA.
> >>
> >> I'm not following what you want to shuffle. drm_driver is entirely
> >> static and kinda global, drm_device is the per-instance structure we
> >> have. And here we mean per-userspace uapi interface instance. So I
> >> guess I'm confused what you want to do?
> >>
> >>> * Based on the following quick greps
> >>> $git grep -W "struct [a-zA-Z0-9-]*_driver {" -- include/ | grep -w
> >>> "struct device_driver\>.*;" | wc -l
> >>> 56
> >>> $git cgrep "struct [a-zA-Z0-9-]*_driver {" -- include/ | wc -l
> >>> 71
--
Regards,
Laurent Pinchart
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