Re: FYI: how to (really) cleanly shutdown the system when root is on multiple stacked block devices

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On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 09:24:27PM +0200, Milan Broz wrote:
> On 06/26/2010 08:36 PM, Arno Wagner wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 04:21:52PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
>
>>> And I'm not even sure if flushing alone is enough,... or where one needs
>>> something like barriers...
>>
>> Barriesrs are a filesystem concept and play no role here.
>
> Nope, "IO barriers" here are block level functionality.
>
> See Documentation/block/barrier.txt  in kernel
> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob_plain;f=Documentation/block/barrier.txt;hb=HEAD
>
> (yes, it is confusing:-)

Ah, I see. Must have confused it with something. Thanks and
sorry for my misstatement.

>> Flushing ("fdatasync" or "fsunc") is not enough in some cases,
>> hence the ro-remount, which is.
>
> fsycn currently in kerenl issues barrier in block layer and 
> then waits for it.

Good. My information here is admittedly pretty old.  

> But if because ever reads can cause some metadata updates (last 
> access on file stamp), remounting read-only is there.

Ok.Thanks again.

Arno

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