On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 07:49:29PM +0100, Jean-Philippe Brucker wrote: > On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 01:42:39PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 05:15:19PM +0100, Jean-Philippe Brucker wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 10:52:45AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:35:56PM +0100, Jean-Philippe Brucker wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 09:09:19AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 10:56:14AM +0100, Jean-Philippe Brucker wrote: > > > > > > > I tried to keep it simple like that: normally mmu_notifier_get() is called > > > > > > > in bind(), and mmu_notifier_put() is called in unbind(). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Multiple device drivers may call bind() with the same mm. Each bind() > > > > > > > calls mmu_notifier_get(), obtains the same io_mm, and returns a new bond > > > > > > > (a device<->mm link). Each bond is freed by calling unbind(), which calls > > > > > > > mmu_notifier_put(). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the most common case. Now if the process is killed and the mm > > > > > > > disappears, we do need to avoid use-after-free caused by DMA of the > > > > > > > mappings and the page tables. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why release must do invalidate all - but it doesn't need to do > > > > > > any more - as no SPTE can be established without a mmget() - and > > > > > > mmget() is no longer possible past release. > > > > > > > > > > In our case we don't have SPTEs, the whole pgd is shared between MMU and > > > > > IOMMU (isolated using PASID tables). > > > > > > > > Okay, but this just means that 'invalidate all' also requires > > > > switching the PASID to use some pgd that is permanently 'all fail'. > > > > > > > > > At this point no one told the device to stop working on this queue, > > > > > it may still be doing DMA on this address space. > > > > > > > > Sure, but there are lots of cases where a defective user space can > > > > cause pages under active DMA to disappear, like munmap for > > > > instance. Process exit is really no different, the PASID should take > > > > errors and the device & driver should do whatever error flow it has. > > > > > > We do have the possibility to shut things down in order, so to me this > > > feels like a band-aid. > > > > ->release() is called by exit_mmap which is called by mmput. There are > > over a 100 callsites to mmput() and I'm not totally sure what the > > rules are for release(). We've run into problems before with things > > like this. > > A concrete example of something that could go badly if mmput() takes too > long would greatly help. Otherwise I'll have a hard time justifying the > added complexity. It is not just takes too long, but also accidently causing locking problems by doing very complex code in the release callback. Unless you audit all the mmput call sites to define the calling conditions I can't even say what the risk is here. Particularly, calling something with impossible to audit locking like the dma_fence stuff from release is probably impossible to prove safety and then keep safe. It is easy enough to see where takes too long can have a bad impact, mmput is called all over the place. Just in the RDMA code slowing it down would block ODP page faulting completely for all processes. This is not acceptable. For this reason release callbacks must be simple/fast and must have trivial locking. > > Errors should not be printed to the kernel log for PASID cases > > anyhow. PASID will be used by unpriv user, and unpriv user should not > > be able to trigger kernel prints at will, eg by doing dma to nmap VA > > or whatever. > > I agree. There is a difference, though, between invalid mappings and the > absence of a pgd. The former comes from userspace issuing DMA on unmapped > buffers, while the latter is typically a device/driver error which > normally needs to be reported. Why not make the pgd present as I suggested? Point it at a static dummy pgd that always fails to page fault during release? Make the pgd not present only once the PASID is fully destroyed. That really is the only thing release is supposed to mean -> unmap all VAs. Jason
