Hi Igor,
On 06/07/2016 10:38 AM, Igor Grinberg wrote:
> Hi Christopher,
>
> On 06/06/2016 01:37 PM, Christopher Spinrath wrote:
>> Hi Igor,
>>
>> On 06/06/2016 08:49 AM, Igor Grinberg wrote:
>>> Hi Christopher,
>>>
>>> On 06/05/2016 08:32 PM, Christopher Spinrath wrote:
>>>> Hi Igor,
>>>>
>>>> On 06/05/2016 06:43 PM, Igor Grinberg wrote:
>>>>> Hi Christopher,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/26/2016 02:37 PM, Igor Grinberg wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/26/2016 12:50 PM, Lucas Stach wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Igor,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag, den 26.05.2016, 11:50 +0300 schrieb Igor Grinberg:
>>>>>>>> Hi Lucas,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for reviewing the patch(es).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 05/23/2016 12:03 PM, Lucas Stach wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am Montag, den 23.05.2016, 00:47 +0200 schrieb
>>>>>>>>> christopher.spinrath@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>>>>>>>>>> From: Christopher Spinrath <christopher.spinrath@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +&ecspi1 {
>>>>>>>>>> + fsl,spi-num-chipselects = <2>;
>>>>>>>>>> + cs-gpios = <&gpio2 30 0>, <&gpio3 19 0>;
>>>>>>>>>> + pinctrl-names = "default";
>>>>>>>>>> + pinctrl-0 = <&pinctrl_ecspi1>;
>>>>>>>>>> + status = "okay";
>>>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>>>> + flash: m25p80@0 {
>>>>>>>>>> + #address-cells = <1>;
>>>>>>>>>> + #size-cells = <1>;
>>>>>>>>>> + compatible = "st,m25p", "jedec,spi-nor";
>>>>>>>>>> + spi-max-frequency = <20000000>;
>>>>>>>>>> + reg = <0>;
>>>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>>>> + partition@0 {
>>>>>>>>>> + label = "uboot";
>>>>>>>>>> + reg = <0x0 0xc0000>;
>>>>>>>>>> + };
>>>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>>>> + partition@c0000 {
>>>>>>>>>> + label = "uboot environment";
>>>>>>>>>> + reg = <0xc0000 0x40000>;
>>>>>>>>>> + };
>>>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>>>> + partition@100000 {
>>>>>>>>>> + label = "reserved";
>>>>>>>>>> + reg = <0x100000 0x100000>;
>>>>>>>>>> + };
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Partition layouts don't belong in the upstream DT, as it a device
>>>>>>>>> configuration thing. Please kep them in the bootloader/firmware and make
>>>>>>>>> this one pass the partition layout to the kernel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't completely agree with this.
>>>>>>>> We have lots of partition layouts in the upstream DT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, we don't. At least not for the i.MX6. There are some for the earlier
>>>>>>> i.MX boards, but IMO it's wrong to put device configuration into the
>>>>>>> upstream DT. Let's not start doing this again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>> For i.MX6 there are 2 boards that have the partitioning scheme.
>>>>>> I'm not considering this a device configuration, but rather
>>>>>> a default partitioning layout/scheme.
>>>>>> Current case is for the firmware storage device that is not likely
>>>>>> to change.
>>>>>> Moreover, a DT is not really a part of the kernel, but lays along the kernel
>>>>>> sources for convenience and simplicity (at least IIRC as it was decided
>>>>>> about 5 years ago). It is more a part of the firmware for a device, than
>>>>>> an upstream kernel source code.
>>>>>> I think it is only a meter of time when Linus will decide that he does not
>>>>>> want it inside the kernel anymore...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Moreover, this is the default layout and changing it, will
>>>>>>>> result in incompatibilities and also might result in device "bricking".
>>>>>>>> Those can be changed from the boot loader in case you need those
>>>>>>>> the other way around.
>>>>>>>> Another question of mine is, why should you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Partition layout is device configuration, which is governed by the
>>>>>>> device firmware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet again, DT is a part of device firmware.
>>>>>> Moreover, the firmware (in that case U-Boot), can be configured
>>>>>> using the very same DT code, so not having this in, might force
>>>>>> various w/a and hacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By not having the partition layout in the upstream DT
>>>>>>> people are forced to set it from the firmware, which is exactly the
>>>>>>> right thing to do, weather or not you plan to change it at any time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I might be ignorant, sorry for that.
>>>>>> Why? Why is it right and why would you want to force people to do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No answer?
>>>>> I think it is worth keeping this as a default firmware layout.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was not happy removing the layout at first, too. However, they are
>>>> added rarely (at least recently) and the binding documentation [1]
>>>> states that they shall only be added if there are "strong conventions".
>>>
>>> Well, not exactly, it says:
>>>
>>> "Partitions can be represented by sub-nodes of an mtd device. This can be used
>>> on platforms which have strong conventions about which portions of a flash are
>>> used for what purposes, but which don't use an on-flash partition table such
>>> as RedBoot."
>>>
>>> In my understanding, "can" is _not_ exactly "shall only".
>>>
>>
>> Definitely, "state" was the wrong word here - sorry about that. But it's
>> how I interpret the documentation. It is the only one I have seen that
>> specifies an allowed use case. So for me it is more like "deny all,
>> allow ...".
>
> That moves the discussion to what "strong conventions" are?
> But you have already removed the layout, so this is meaningless.
Yes, as I said I want to have the non controversial stuff in first.
Afterwards, we can submit more controversial patches (per feature).
>>
>>>>
>>>> Moreover, it is really easy to pass the layout via firmware/u-boot.
>>>> Unfortunately, the u-boot provided by CompuLab does not have the
>>>> mtdparts commands built-in but the layout can be passed via cmdline as
>>>> well. This seems more flexible to me (and I consider this to be good).
>>>
>>> That means you need a different version of U-Boot if you want to use
>>> an upstream kernel, or you need to play the bootargs games, or just leave
>>> it a "black box".
>>> So currently, from the three options above, the "black box" is chosen, right?
>>> That's a pity, because I'd like things to be open...
>>>
>>
>> Well, It wouldn't be the first ARM device where the newest/upstream
>> u-boot is required. Actually, you already have to use the newest version
>> if you want to use the igb ethernet.
>
> You mean, igb in U-Boot, right?
> Unless I'm missing something, it should work just fine in Linux with
> the same U-Boot Compulab provides.
>
I mean in U-Boot and Linux (and with "newest U-Boot" I refer to the one
provided by CompuLab; as far as I know there is no upstream U-Boot
support for the Utilite). Although it seems to work "by accident". The
custom CompuLab code fails to put the mac address in the devicetree but
stores it in the correct environment variable such that the upstream
U-Boot magic can take over.
Anyway, are there any U-Boot updates scheduled (by CompuLab)? And is
there a way to contribute/discuss changes?
>>
>> Currently, IMO the most convenient way (for distributions) would be to
>> ship a boot.scr file changing the bootargs (which is not a "black box"
>> but a configuration file people are used to). If you don't want to mess
>> with bootargs/cmdline it is also possible to add the partition table via
>> boot.scr (or on-flash environment) with the fdt command; in this case it
>> wouldn't even be hidden in the u-boot binary (and no u-boot upgrade is
>> required to implement this).
>
> That is exactly what I said: "to play the bootargs games".
>
>>
>> But yes, if someone wants to use the upstream kernel the boot.scr has to
>> be there; but IMO this is something distributions/people providing
>> binary files have to take care about. People using their own kernel
>> should take into account that they have to provide a bootloader config.
>
> Yep. While if we provide the default layout in DT, all the above would be
> unnecessary.
>
On the other hand, it will be very hard to change it afterwards. Maybe
someone wants to upstream the U-Boot support and they insist on a
different partition layout (e.g. uboot-failsafe) ...
I never got why people decided to go without a on-device partition table
for most raw flash chips. It is a pity that it has to be hard coded in
the firmware/kernel/whatever.
> So, if one will neither use the latest U-Boot, nor play the bootargs
> games, the flash will stay a kind of "black box" - and that's a pity.
>
As I stated before, IMHO using the latest U-Boot is no problem and is
already required (for full support).
Cheers,
Christopher
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