On 05.12.19 10:33, Sebastien Han wrote: > Sorry, this has turned again into a ceph-disk/ceph-volume discussion... Yes because that's basically what you're doing here. Personally I don't see the value in just switching back again as I didn't found real good and absolutely necessary reasons to do so and why rook and/or ceph-volume couldn't be fixed in that regard. I also didn't find out why the new solution should be any better in the case that we don't talk about switching back in a few month again because all of those issues are fixed now - You said it yourself "ultimately fixed" which at the same time means that such tools need some time to reach the point were all those issues are fixed. We need to start to talk across boundaries and to reach out and involve other project maintainer to work on real solutions instead of moving out of their way. Just imagine we would switch back to partitions, that would mean that we're doing again a breaking change between releases. This change would result in the same thing such like filestore->bluestore or ceph-disk->ceph-volume - people have to rewrite the whole data of their cluster at one point or another (or do we want to support both tools forever?). I have the feeling that we sometimes treat this whole project still just like a kick-starter project were everything can be switched and changed between releases in any direction and whenever we think it would be nice to do so. Could we please start to think about that there's a big and luckily growing user base behind that are actively relaying on this solution and they're not keen on moving their data around just because we had a "feeling"? No one should feel personally offended by the last remark but introducing such changes isn't something we could/should just do. We really should have 100% valid arguments why replacing one tool by another tool, which we had already in the past, now magically solves everything and we're sure that we can't fix such issues in the current solution. Kai -- SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D 90409 Nürnberg GF:Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer, (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg)
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