On 2019-08-05T13:48:26, Sage Weil <sage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Sage, thanks for jumping in. > I think this is misunderstanding who "we" are. What distributions are > tested and built for shaman/chacra and download.ceph.com is a community > decision and depends on who is able to invest the effort. If someone > shows up willing to do the work, whoever was doing the work before doesn't > get to just say no--especially if they don't want to be stuck with that > responsibility for all time. I think the summary here is that SUSE is willing to shoulder part of this work going forward, and if the respective infrastructure is resource constrained, well, the Foundation exists for specifically that purpose. > I see two paths forward: (1) we continue with a monolithic approach to > builds and expand the pool of people who understand and contribute to > maintaining the build infra, or (2) we rearchitect to a federated > approach. I think it'd be a mix. Federating the builds - and pushing maintaining distro-packages to, well, the distributors (Fedora, CentOS, Ubuntu, Debian, openSUSE) - seems most sensible. The distros really know best how to build for their platforms. e.g., for (open)SUSE - I can't talk about any other distro -, we'd be willing to either host the builds on our Open Build Service, or help setup a dedicated OBS instance in the lab somewhere (that'd possibly help with making sure we get them in a timely fashion even when the public infra is overloaded) and helping maintain base images for the OS to run on. And then once builds are done, pulling them back to the shared infrastructure for test runs. This is all sort-of a pre-requisite to eventually also run upstream/cross-distro inter-op testings in a more structured fashion, anyway. > *Both* paths require knowledge transfer to new people, > especially if the old team is too busy with other projects (as I keep > hearing). (FWIW, the first path sounds like a lot less effort, and the > two presumably also aren't mutually exclusive.) Yeah, agreed. So, TL;DR: we're willing to help with extending the distro coverage (for the tests in particular), as long as we know whom to work with to make that happen. We already have openSUSE on https://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/install/get-packages/ for example. (Probably we want to backport that to the Nautilus and previous releases for openSUSE, though.) But https://github.com/ceph/ceph-qa-suite/tree/master/distros/supported is somewhat more limited. Also, last updated 3 years, really? ;-) (That's at least what the docs point to.) Regards, Lars -- SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Mary Higgins, Sri Rasiah, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) "Architects should open possibilities and not determine everything." (Ueli Zbinden) _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list -- dev@xxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to dev-leave@xxxxxxx
