Looking at http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.4/html/Cluster_Suite_Overview/index.html Gives a high level overview of what's going on, but doesn't explain fine grain details like what master process start all the other daemons as some docs suggest when using drbd with rhcs you need to adjust the init scripts of drbd to start inbetween some of those controlled by the cluster suite, but those are off, and obviously started by maybe cman? Also, http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/wiki/FAQ/CMAN#cman_shutdown suggests `cman_tool leave remove` is how to drop a node out of a cluster for any reason so it doesn't get fenced, but that doesn't work as other daemons are suggested by cman_tool to need to be shut down. Thanks guys, jlc -- Linux-cluster mailing list Linux-cluster@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-cluster