Found the problem but it leaves me confused. First, the log says that the problem is that pulse cannot start, looking into that, seems something else might be running on that port. Nothing else running on that port yet pulse won't start. A reboot fixed that yet netstat looks identical, I don't get it. Look at permissions of lvs.cf and sure enough, those aren't correct. Change everything over and voila, Piranha reports that everything is running. So, have to guess first that my scp command is not working as I've set it up because permissions were changed when copying file over to redundant server. scp /etc/sysconfig/ha/lvs.cf 192.168.1.53:/etc/sysconfig/ha/lvs.cf So, now it's all running but have new errors to deal with since the actual servers are timing out. (Nov 1 10:53:29 lb53 nanny[2963]: READ to 192.168.1.93:80 timed out). No biggie, this one should just be part of some configuring now. Mike -- Linux-cluster mailing list Linux-cluster@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-cluster