Hello, On Wed, Mar 05, 2025 at 11:12:21AM +0100, Michal Koutný wrote: > On Tue, Mar 04, 2025 at 08:04:06AM -1000, Tejun Heo <tj@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I'm apprehensive about adding warning messages which may be triggered > > consistently without anything end users can do about them. > > That means you'd distinguish RE (replacement exists) vs DN (dropped as > non-ideal) categories? I don't think I am. I'm just concerned about emitting warn messages on every boot without users being able to do anything about them. > > I think that deprecation messages, unless such deprecation is > > immediate and would have direct consequences on how the system can be > > used, should be informational. > > I could subscribe to that if there weren't so many other places to > evaluate: > $ git grep -i "pr_warn.*deprec" torvalds/master -- | wc -l > 62 > $ git grep -i "pr_info.*deprec" torvalds/master -- | wc -l > 2 > > So is the disctinction worth the hassle? Well, not all deprecations are the same. If users are stuck on cgroup1, they can be really stuck - there can be a tall stack of software with dependencies that users can't do much about, at least not immediately. We will deprecate cgroup1 but this is going to be a long stretched out process at the end of which we should be fairly comfortable in stating that there aren't major users left which are stuck on cgroup1. It's almost certain that that future won't arrive in, say, three years. Five years may be too ambitious too but let's say that at that point we are relatively sure that most platforms have moved on (but there may still be users on older versions of those platforms). Maybe it'd make sense to increase the deprecation warning temperature by then to warn and drain existing users and maybe after a few years we'd actually be able to drop cgroup1 support. So, I don't want to be emitting warnings on every boot for the good part of a decade on every boot for those users. Doing so feels silly and annoying to me. Let's inform that it's coming down the pipeline but I personally don't want to be warned by something that's close to a decade out. Thanks. -- tejun
