On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 2:31 AM Gregory Farnum <gfarnum@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > There are versioning and dependency issues (both of packages, and compiler > toolchain pieces) which mean that the existing reef releases do not build > on Debian. Our upstream support for Debian has always been inconsistent > i think, to build on debian is one thing, while to have packages downloadable at https://download.ceph.com/ is another story. Despite that https://download.ceph.com fails to provide the updated packages, that does not mean reef cannot build on Debian. Actually, I've been building Ceph on Debian unstable for years. > because we don’t have anybody dedicated or involved enough in both Debian > and Ceph to keep it working on a day-to-day basis. (I think the basic > problem is Debian makes much bigger and less frequent jumps in compiler > toolchains and packages than the other distros we work with, and none of > the developers have used it as their working OS since ~2010.) > I disagree. We've been consistently working in this area. if you take a look at the history of the debian/ directory, you will find the answer. to be more specific, as Thomas Goirand pointed out a couple times, the problem lies in the release cycles of debian and ceph. Debian releases around every two years, and each release has approximately 2 years' LTS. while ceph releases every year, with also an LTS of 2 years. so in order to enable debian users to use a LTS supported release of ceph. The debian package *have to* get ready right after the upstream releases the new major release, and before debian's release freezes. It is the timing that makes the maintainer's life a little bit difficult. > Matthew has submitted a number of PRs to deal with those issues that are in > the reef branch and will let us do upstream builds for the next point > release. (Thanks Matthew!) Proxmox may have grabbed them or done their own > changes without pushing them upstream, or they might have found some other > workarounds that fit their needs. > -Greg > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:42 AM Luke Hall <luke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > On 13/11/2023 16:28, Daniel Baumann wrote: > > > On 11/13/23 17:14, Luke Hall wrote: > > >> How is it that Proxmox were able to release Debian12 packages for > Quincy > > >> quite some time ago? > > > > > > because you can, as always, just (re-)build the package yourself. > > > > I guess I was just trying to point out that there seems to be nothing > > fundamentally blocking these builds which makes it more surprising that > > the official Ceph repo doesn't have Debian12 packages yet. > > > > >> My understanding is that they change almost nothing in their packages > > >> and just roll them to fit with their naming schema etc. > > > > > > yes, we're doing the same since kraken and put them in our own repo > > > (either builds of the "original" ceph sources, or backports from debian > > > - whichever is earlier available).. which is easier/simpler/more > > > reliable and avoids any dependency on external repositories. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Daniel > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ceph-users mailing list -- ceph-users@xxxxxxx > > > To unsubscribe send an email to ceph-users-leave@xxxxxxx > > > > -- > > All postal correspondence to: > > The Positive Internet Company, 24 Ganton Street, London. W1F 7QY > > > > *Follow us on Twitter* @posipeople > > > > The Positive Internet Company Limited is registered in England and Wales. > > Registered company number: 3673639. VAT no: 726 7072 28. > > Registered office: Northside House, Mount Pleasant, Barnet, Herts, EN4 > 9EE. > > _______________________________________________ > > ceph-users mailing list -- ceph-users@xxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send an email to ceph-users-leave@xxxxxxx > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ceph-users mailing list -- ceph-users@xxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to ceph-users-leave@xxxxxxx > -- Regards Kefu Chai _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list -- ceph-users@xxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to ceph-users-leave@xxxxxxx
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