I want to chime in here as well. I am a relatively new Ceph user who learned about Ceph through my use of Proxmox. I have two small 5 node Ceph/Proxmox clusters in two different locations (to play with mirroring), and a mere 300TB of combined storage. This is a hobby for me. I find Ceph really interesting, and have been enjoying my time learning and playing with Ceph. Naturally, as time goes on, I have more and more time and effort invested into this hobby, and have definitely run into issues while learning. With all that preamble out of the way, I whole-heartedly agree with Yuri. Particularly when troubleshooting issues, my experience was that there was an open-but-closed experience with Ceph. The docs are very thorough, and a lifesaver, but it felt to me that there is a goldilocks zone for knowledge. The true basics are mostly included in the docs, but as I progressed beyond simple cluster setup, and began trying to optimize my cluster, was where I wished there was a modern and official place to learn and chat with other users at my relative level of expertise. This is the first, and quite possibly last bbs mailing list I've joined. Not because this one is anything but awesome, but because, frankly, I wasn't even aware they still existed. Josh Joshua West President 403-456-0072 CAYK.ca On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:12 PM Yosh de Vos <yosh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi Marc, seems like you had a bad night's sleep right? > There is just so much wrong with that reply. > > I think Yuri has a valid point, it is really hard to find support or > solutions online. Also the documentation page is lacking explaining basic > knowledge about Ceph concepts which would be helpful for newcomers. > it almost feels like Ceph is a closed source solution or not used by many > from the search results I get. > Are they too focused on having Ceph consultants to fix your problems or do > they actually want to build a community to share knowledge? > > > > > Op ma 26 jul. 2021 om 19:48 schreef Marc <Marc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > I feel like ceph is living in 2005. > > > > No it is just you. Why don't you start reading > > https://docs.ceph.com/en/latest/ > > > > >It's quite hard to find help on > > > issues related to ceph and it's almost impossible to get involved into > > > helping others. > > > > ???, Just click the reply button, you must be able to find that, not? > > > > > There's a BBS aka Mailman maillist, which is from 1980 era and there's > > > an irc channel that's dead. > > > Why not set a Q&A board up or a google group at least? > > > > Because that is shit, you can not sign up via email, google is putting up > > these cookie walls, and last but not least you are forcing people to share > > their data with google. Maybe you do not care what data google grabbing of > > you, but others might do. > > > > > Why not open a > > > "Discussions" tab on github so people would be able to get connected? > > > > Because it would spread the knowledge over different media, and therefore > > you are likely to create a situation where on each medium your repsonse > > times go down. Everyone has email, not everyone has a github account. > > > > > Why do I have to end up on random reddit boards and servethehome and > > > > Wtf reddit, servethehome?? There is nothing you can find there. Every time > > there is reddit link in my search results, the information there is shit. I > > am not even opening reddit links anymore. > > > > > proxmox forums trying to nit pick pieces of knowledge from random > > > persons? > > > > > > > Yes if I want to get more info on linux, I am always asking at microsoft > > technet. > > > > > I'm always losing hope each time I have to deal with ceph issues. > > > > Issues?? If you have a default setup, you hardly have (one even can say > > no) issues. > > > > > But > > > when it works, it's majestic of course. Documentation (both on redhat > > > side and main docs) is pretty thorough, though. > > > > > > > So if you read it all, you should not have any problems. I did not even > > read all, and do not have any issues (knock on wood, of course). But I have > > the impression you (like many others here) are not taking enough time to > > educate yourself. > > If you a aspire to become a brain surgion, you also do not get educated > > via reddit, not? Educate yourself, so when the shit hits the fan, you can > > fix the majority yourself. Ceph is not a wordpress project. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ceph-users mailing list -- ceph-users@xxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send an email to ceph-users-leave@xxxxxxx > > > _______________________________________________ > ceph-users mailing list -- ceph-users@xxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to ceph-users-leave@xxxxxxx _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list -- ceph-users@xxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to ceph-users-leave@xxxxxxx
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